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Re: Be Kind

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post #38

Several well-known people in tech are notorious jerks. So I don't think being kind is a necessary condition for career success (though it can't hurt). But I suspect it's necessary to have a happy life.

Many of such said 'jerks' are often the ones at the top, however: i.e. nobody above them to be put off their ability to communicate or display typical good teamwork.

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This guy wants to be super cool and cover just everything. Be kind, be super programmer, have tattoo, write blog ... Thinking about the post, I quite understand why people don't want to work with such superheroes . Kind will not make it if it is one other thing you want to be good at. Don't show off too much will do.

That's kinda...uncalled for. Seems like you have personal issues with him? What does having a tattoo have to do with anything, or am I missing something?

Personal? No sir.

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post #38

Several well-known people in tech are notorious jerks. So I don't think being kind is a necessary condition for career success (though it can't hurt). But I suspect it's necessary to have a happy life.

If you're great at what you do, you can afford to be an asshole. But it doesn't mean you have to be one.

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#45

Nice article. When did the golden rule get invalidated?

I don't know Boz, but having known others like him, I would say that many didn't actually violate the golden rule; people who are efficient and brash often not only don't mind, but expect others to act the same way.

Re: Be Kind

#46
Totally agree with the premise of this article. Being kind involves being empathetic and putting yourself in the other person's shoes. Most times, this involves taking a step back and not reacting in the moment (to the best of one's ability). Passion can be a good thing, but not without restraint and self-awareness.

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While the author may have been a very talented engineer, there are also a lot of mediocre engineers (and members of other professions) who happen to act like jerks. Don't assume that just because someone is crotchety, indignant, or combative that he/she is intelligent.

I generally assume the opposite. If an engineer is outstanding, their actions can speak for themselves, and they won't have to put on airs; if an engineer is mediocre, their only option to hide it will be arrogance.

There's a third type: the engineer who is outstanding but is addicted to being perceived as brilliant, so they layer extra arrogance on top, never conceding points, overstating facts and contributions, etc. to make themselves appear even more brilliant. When I encounter these types, I think to myself "If you just didn't feel compelled to overstate things, you'd be truly awesome."

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I really like these two paragraphs towards the end: Being kind isn’t the same as being nice. It isn’t about superficial praise. It doesn’t mean dulling your opinions. And it shouldn’t diminish the passion with which you present them. Being kind is fundamentally about taking responsibility for your impact on the people around you. It requires you be mindful of their feelings and considerate of the way your presence af…

Two of my favorite quotes about being 'nice' come from the musical, Into The Woods.

The first is Red Riding Hood's quip, "Nice is is different than good", which is then fleshed out later by the witch: "You're so nice. You're not good, you're not bad, you're just nice. I'm not good, I'm not nice, I'm just right."

I think "kind" and "good" are reasonable synonyms here, and Boz and Sondheim express very similar sentiments.

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#49
post #4

I really like these two paragraphs towards the end: Being kind isn’t the same as being nice. It isn’t about superficial praise. It doesn’t mean dulling your opinions. And it shouldn’t diminish the passion with which you present them. Being kind is fundamentally about taking responsibility for your impact on the people around you. It requires you be mindful of their feelings and considerate of the way your presence af…

To be fair, this is also incredibly exhausting. Most peoples' reactions to things are arbitrary at best and constant worrying about how they will take something is just way too much BS to put into my day. I bought pretty deeply into this philosophy once and it just made me neurotic and quiet at a time of my life where those things very much hurt me. I think being selectively kind makes a lot more sense. I'm kind to c…

There's a lot I want to unpack, here. I don't think you're wrong overall -- in a work environment, for example, you want to select for people who are able to take criticism in an effective, objective, and non-judgmental manner. That's a minimum bar of level-headedness you should have for people that you interact with regularly, as a general rule.

However, when you open with, "this is also incredibly exhausting", it indicates to me that either a) you find yourself surrounded with an unhealthy amount of hyper-sensitive people, or b) there might be more to the "be kind" methodology that you have yet to internalize. I carried around this attitude for most of my life, and just recently am I coming to understand that truly internalizing kindness, the way the OP describes, is not "exhausting" in any way, shape, or form (unless you have kids. Children break this rule in half).

Another thing that sticks out is "if you're fighting for your living". I agree that, if you're truly fighting for your living, kindness and compassion should take a backseat to climbing Maslow's hierarchy to the point of comfortable reflection. Given that your english seems to be good and you're posting highly articulate opinions on an Internet forum, I'd be very surprised if your line of work forced you to reject kindness as part of your job, and I urge you to consider a new line of work if at all possible.

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#50
post #4

I really like these two paragraphs towards the end: Being kind isn’t the same as being nice. It isn’t about superficial praise. It doesn’t mean dulling your opinions. And it shouldn’t diminish the passion with which you present them. Being kind is fundamentally about taking responsibility for your impact on the people around you. It requires you be mindful of their feelings and considerate of the way your presence af…

To be fair, this is also incredibly exhausting. Most peoples' reactions to things are arbitrary at best and constant worrying about how they will take something is just way too much BS to put into my day. I bought pretty deeply into this philosophy once and it just made me neurotic and quiet at a time of my life where those things very much hurt me. I think being selectively kind makes a lot more sense. I'm kind to c…

> To be fair, this is also incredibly exhausting. Empathy is a skill and, like any other, it gets easier with practice. Eventually the mental overhead is minimal.
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