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Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by hsod »

danso wrote: post #6

The OP says they were required on a daily basis to fill out a Google form that asked them things like how many tweets and reddit posts they made the previous day. And there's the LOL-worthy question, "What is your Klout score today?" If Groucho Marx were alive, he'd say "I refuse to join any club that would care about my Klout score" Besides all of what OP posted in terms of Coding House being a joke, another sign wo…

"If Groucho Marx were alive, he'd say "I refuse to join any club that would care about my Klout score""

No, he wouldn't. His original line was self-deprecating, yours is self-aggrandizing.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by dragonwriter »

zipWith wrote: post #40

Considering that the sales pitch of Coding House and every other bootcamp I've yet seen is "give us $$$$ and we'll land you a job making $$$$$$," I wouldn't be surprised if bootcamp graduates got a negative, mercenary-like reputation amongst their peers, who overwhelmingly got into programming for the love of it. Obviously you can't blame someone for trying to improve their standing in life, and not everyone discover…

> I don't really understand why code schools are needed when self-education has long been an established, effective alternative to CS university education.

There's probably a real utility to vocationally-focused coding schools; OTOH, there's also quite a lot of opportunity for those who are sharp salesmen without a lot of training or technical acumen to take fleece the naïve who are aware of the high pay in the industry and aren't equipped to evaluate the quality of the institutions.

Unregulated, unaccredited educational programs (heck, even with regulated, accredited programs, less-than-stellar programs of this type are still a problem, though there are more checks and balances to identify and weed them out) promising to get people into highly-paying careers have always been a problem.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by caffeinewriter »

cansync1 wrote: post #21
joshrotenberg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should be more like "We take 100% responsibility for the issues and plan to do something about it."

Fair enough. We take 100% responsibility for taking a student in our first cohort over 1 year ago; who was not prepared, did not do the work in or after the program. We have learned from our mistake. We now have extensive per work, coding challenges (gates on all phases) and accept only 3.16% of the students that apply.

That is perhaps the most passive aggressive "apology" I've ever seen.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by kpennell »

cansync1 wrote: post #14

Hi All, I am one of the founders at Coding House. Let me provide some insight on the post from last year. 1) 50% of the the post is true and my fault 2) 50% is untrue and students fault 3) It was our very first cohort and we had a lot to learn about what worked and did not work 4) The student has been refunded 5) We wanted to make it like a real boot camp and that was to hard on some of the students 6) We have fantas…

Dude, just stop. You're only making yourself look worse.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by zipWith »

cansync1 wrote: post #27
xeromal wrote: post #2

HOLY. SHIT. I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad. Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

I am a founder at Coding House. Wrong. - Maybe the bottom 20% should go and that is natural selection. - The is a huge shortage of devs. - Most colleges are not doing a good job creating dev's (their are about 100 who do). - You can learn everything we teach on your own for free (near free). - btw Plursight is great if you are a JR Dev not if you don't know shit. - Boot camps expedite the process by 4x to 12x the amo…

A huge shortage of devs, and yet somehow their wages remain suspiciously flat:

http://www.epi.org/publication/pm195-stem-labor-shortages-mi...

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by Profan »

cansync1 wrote: post #27
xeromal wrote: post #2

HOLY. SHIT. I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad. Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

I am a founder at Coding House. Wrong. - Maybe the bottom 20% should go and that is natural selection. - The is a huge shortage of devs. - Most colleges are not doing a good job creating dev's (their are about 100 who do). - You can learn everything we teach on your own for free (near free). - btw Plursight is great if you are a JR Dev not if you don't know shit. - Boot camps expedite the process by 4x to 12x the amo…

You should really work on your language skills as a founder, it does not reflect so well on you (and Coding House) if you can't even spell properly when you're trying to defend your creation.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by brookside »

cansync1 wrote: post #21
joshrotenberg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should be more like "We take 100% responsibility for the issues and plan to do something about it."

Fair enough. We take 100% responsibility for taking a student in our first cohort over 1 year ago; who was not prepared, did not do the work in or after the program. We have learned from our mistake. We now have extensive per work, coding challenges (gates on all phases) and accept only 3.16% of the students that apply.

The first rule of apologies is it's only ok to apologize for your own actions, not the behavior or feelings of others.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by danso »

hsod wrote: post #41
danso wrote: post #6

The OP says they were required on a daily basis to fill out a Google form that asked them things like how many tweets and reddit posts they made the previous day. And there's the LOL-worthy question, "What is your Klout score today?" If Groucho Marx were alive, he'd say "I refuse to join any club that would care about my Klout score" Besides all of what OP posted in terms of Coding House being a joke, another sign wo…

"If Groucho Marx were alive, he'd say "I refuse to join any club that would care about my Klout score"" No, he wouldn't. His original line was self-deprecating, yours is self-aggrandizing.

WHOOSH

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by tibbon »

xeromal wrote: post #2

HOLY. SHIT. I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad. Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

Until recently I was teaching for another 'coding bootcamp' (or something that could be described as such) and when I was reading the linked article/pdf my jaw was on the floor. We surely weren't perfect, but this type of stuff makes everyone look bad.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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Post by rhc2104 »

rpcope1 wrote: post #11
nfoz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different people have different learning styles. And many people do not have an effective or appropriate learning environment where they can learn new tech through free resources. So I think direct-mentorship can be very helpful to some people; even it can help wade through what's out there to understand what's important to learn, how long you should spend learning x, etc. But until this article, I had never thought…

I get that not everyone can sit down and start grepping how a kernel works, how to architect database solutions, or get what it means to be reentrant in the context of parallel programming. Not everyone can be efficient successful autodidacts; however we have places to learn, like colleges. I would rather see community colleges or university start offering more individual courses to help you get up to speed. There is…

One of the big "problems" with learning at college is the sequential nature of Computer Science.

You have to take CS1 your first semester, then CS2 your second semester, and then you finally have the prerequisites to take multiple classes at once.

Coding bootcamps have a semester's worth of material, so it would be cool if colleges had a one-semester full-time class that covers Intro CS, Data Structures, Web Development, and Intro to Software Engineering.

Because that basically is a coding bootcamp (except coding bootcamps have class all day in lieu of giving out homework).

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