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A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by chucksmart »

icebraining wrote: post #35
rational-future wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is a small country (as population and industry) compared to US and EU. It cant afford to reinvent the way a modern society, government, media, etc. works. The state propaganda machine is a direct copy of what the US and especially the UK governments have built.

I find it funny how you're trying to defend RT and Russia (which is fine), but managed to make the most damning criticism of the whole thread :) Poor Russia, the first country to put a man in space, now reduced to copying propaganda machines!

Soviet Union !== Russia

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by blumkvist »

lispm wrote: post #31
rational-future wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're funny as well :) RT, BBC, Al Jazeera are official state propaganda machines, but that doesn't mean ALL they say is propaganda. As a matter of personal opinion on many subjects (not directly connected with the Russian government) RT is more honest than the big international media outlets (that cant afford to alienate the western governments, big advertisers or powerful interest groups).

RT is pure propaganda. We have now a German program by RT. Website: http://www.rtdeutsch.com Straight from Putin's mouth...

The situation is a lot worse in post-soviet countries in the EU like Bulgaria and Romania. When the regime fell the same people who ruled during that era staged everything so they remained in power. From political and official power to power through capital and corruption.

A known mafia boss (Delyan Peevski) has control of over 50% of the newspapers and 80% of the distribution of all newspapers through another company.

All the attorney generals of Bulgaria have been obviously corrupt, having dinners with prominent mafia bosses on yachts, etc. Everything in the judiciary system is made corrupt by design. All forms of opposition are crushed in infancy either by propaganda, intimidation or infiltrating the opposing organization and breaking it from the inside.

It's HELL. We don't know what to do. When we think the situation can't be any more dire, another, greater scandal is already looming. It's depressing and crushing.

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by rational-future »

lispm wrote: post #31
rational-future wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're funny as well :) RT, BBC, Al Jazeera are official state propaganda machines, but that doesn't mean ALL they say is propaganda. As a matter of personal opinion on many subjects (not directly connected with the Russian government) RT is more honest than the big international media outlets (that cant afford to alienate the western governments, big advertisers or powerful interest groups).

RT is pure propaganda. We have now a German program by RT. Website: http://www.rtdeutsch.com Straight from Putin's mouth...

Sure, if they say 2+2=4 that's Putin propaganda ...

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by smutticus »

everyone wrote: post #33

Hey everyone check out this documentary film!! https://vimeo.com/67739294 Experienced investigative journalist John Pilger looks at and questions (among other things) the British medias role as a dumb mouthpiece for the government leading up to and during the invasion of Iraq. EDIT: link has been fixed

Your link is, while great, completely unrelated.

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by icebraining »

chucksmart wrote: post #41
icebraining wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny how you're trying to defend RT and Russia (which is fine), but managed to make the most damning criticism of the whole thread :) Poor Russia, the first country to put a man in space, now reduced to copying propaganda machines!

Soviet Union !== Russia

Fair enough, though I'm not sure everyone in the Russian upper echelons is completely convinced of that :)

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by ptaipale »

Regarding Russia's foreign propaganda, a Russian-born person (I think he may not wish to be named) described the situation like this:

" Many have wondered why the Russian propaganda machine is spewing out a torrent of such preposterous claims that few people take seriously.

They know it will not be believed abroad. The purpose is not that it is believed.

The purpose of disinformation was is to destroy trust in all media. Create a space where nobody believes in anything.

Then, when people brag that they don't believe the Kremlin propaganda, but also they don't believe "the other propaganda" that is published by media in countries where there is a free press, the information war has been won.

If you think that Western media (for purposes of translation: let's take for example DW or BBC) is as unreliable as Russia Today, you are not above the information war. You are its casualty. "

And seeing the preposterous claims about persecution of ethnic Russians where I live, contra reality of ethnic Russian people I know, and how some people still keep reminding how also the Western TV channels and papers are part of a propaganda machine... he has a strong point.

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by scottlocklin »

bayesianhorse wrote: post #12
thatsjustcrazy wrote: post #4

Gee willickers, I sure am glad nothing like that happens here in the good old US of A.

No, actually it doesn't... This stuff may be going on inside Fox News, and I doubt that. But that would be a single TV channel. In Russia they coordinate among all TV channels and there is no dissenting voice. The superiority of western media over what is available from Russia or similar countries is not in the honesty and quality of any single media outfit, but in the plurality of media voices. In the west, there ar…

A plurality of voices which all say precisely the same things; Israel and US good, Muslims (except for our friends the Saudis) and Russians bad. The only difference between the Russian system and the US system is the Rooskies are more honest and straightforward about it, and in the US, people delude themselves into thinking there is a difference between the world view presented in MSNBC and Fox news. The main differences between MSNBC and Fox news are the personalities they demonize. The policies and worldview they present are identical.

Find me a US news outlet which, say, criticizes the preposterous influence of Saudi and Israeli intelligence services on the US political process (say, for example, the invasion of Iraq and the demonization of Syria and Iran), and I will say we have a freer news organization in the US. Or, for example, the fact that the US organized a coup against a democratically elected government in Ukraine, and put Joe Biden's son in charge of an oil company there: kind of like a corrupt oligarchy would. Meanwhile, if I want to read about this, Russia Today, despite being Russian propaganda, actually accurately reports on the subject. Which is why people welcome RT as a useful news outlet, and laugh at CNN as US propaganda.

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by jackweirdy »

maxxxcohen wrote: post #40
rational-future wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not trying to defend anyone. Russia is as evil as the US, it just doesn't have enough hardware to do as much damage. The man in space flew on a rocket initially designed in Nazi Germany.

You sound like such a racist..

Troll accounts on HN too now? (Check the twitter account on the profile page)

Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Post by Atropos »

icebraining wrote: post #23
calibraxis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with US propaganda (like New York Times) is the US is the far more powerful mafia boss than say Russia. (Just look at militant attacks which reach across the world, not to mention incarceration.) Furthermore, people should be concerned with their own country's criminality, not hypocritically pointing the finger at official enemies like Russia. (As this is a US-dominated forum.)

Furthermore, people should be concerned with their own country's criminality, not hypocritically pointing the finger at official enemies like Russia. It's only hypocritical if you don't also point the finger at your own flaws. Which people in this forum do. A lot. Besides, not everyone agrees anymore with the notion that they must "have a country". What's my country? I have double nationality, and I live in an union…

Small nitpick: EU has 28 member states, everybody always forgets about Croatia :)
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