Gee willickers, I sure am glad nothing like that happens here in the good old US of A.
Nice commenting history.
A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine
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#12Gee willickers, I sure am glad nothing like that happens here in the good old US of A.
No, actually it doesn't... This stuff may be going on inside Fox News, and I doubt that. But that would be a single TV channel. In Russia they coordinate among all TV channels and there is no dissenting voice.
The superiority of western media over what is available from Russia or similar countries is not in the honesty and quality of any single media outfit, but in the plurality of media voices.
In the west, there are so many channels, shows, magazines and online sites, financed by completely different means, often pulling in different political directions, that most attempts at disinformation are discovered sooner rather than later.
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#13> a prominent news anchor reviewed the coming events as if they were part of a film script, musing on how best to entertain the audience and questioning who that week’s enemy should be.
Having avoided traditional American news sources for a long time (10+ years), whenever I get a glimpse of it now (especially cable news sources), I always got the sense that this is exactly how American news is produced.
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#14Gee willickers, I sure am glad nothing like that happens here in the good old US of A.
No, actually it doesn't... This stuff may be going on inside Fox News, and I doubt that. But that would be a single TV channel. In Russia they coordinate among all TV channels and there is no dissenting voice. The superiority of western media over what is available from Russia or similar countries is not in the honesty and quality of any single media outfit, but in the plurality of media voices. In the west, there ar…
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
We in the west are far more brainwashed than we think...
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, with Russia's already severe lack of independent media or freedom of speech and the active repression of both, things are certainly looking a lot bleaker than anywhere in the west, including the US.
The problem with US propaganda (like New York Times) is the US is the far more powerful mafia boss than say Russia. (Just look at militant attacks which reach across the world, not to mention incarceration.) Furthermore, people should be concerned with their own country's criminality, not hypocritically pointing the finger at official enemies like Russia. (As this is a US-dominated forum.)
How much karma do you need on HN to downvote? Because this deserves one.
How often are we going to repeat this point?
Okay, as slowly and clearly as I can:
"Two wrongs don't make a right."
Just because the US does bad thing X, doesn't mean we can't talk about another country doing bad thing X.
Please, for the love of baby Jesus and his family. Please. Please.
I won't even top it off with a "the country's people are not the same as its government," or anything like it. I just beg of you, please, please stop using this line of reasoning.
I'm so exhausted of seeing it. It wears me down.
PS: GP has a point, he sketches the context. Fine. "Russia is not the only one, also US." Okay, it's true. But when you say "don't talk about Russia, because US!" then no. No, no, no, no. No.
EDIT: Can't reply to "rational-future", so I'll say it here: No, not at all. The opposite. As I said: "GP has a point". My problem is here:
> Furthermore, people should be concerned with their own country's criminality, not hypocritically pointing the finger at official enemies like Russia.
This is wrong. Telling people to shut up because their government / countrymen / ... does the same thing. Sure, call them out for being hypocrites. But even hypocrites have a right to speak. So, yeah: do talk about the US. Sure. Give me context. As long as you leave all the room for the original discussion.
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#16Funny story: In Germany there is currently a "movement" of people calling for stricter immigration control (to abbreviate an endless discussion about what they actually want), called Pegida. During one of their demonstrations a comedy/satire show dressed up an actor as a "Russian" journalist from "Russia Today", a news caster/online magazine financed by the Russian state. The Pegida participants were very willing to…
You're funny as well :)
RT, BBC, Al Jazeera are official state propaganda machines, but that doesn't mean ALL they say is propaganda. As a matter of personal opinion on many subjects (not directly connected with the Russian government) RT is more honest than the big international media outlets (that cant afford to alienate the western governments, big advertisers or powerful interest groups).
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#17> “What they are basically trying to undermine is the idea of a reality-based conversation,” Mr. Pomerantsev said, “and to use the idea of a plurality of truths to feed disinformation, which in the end looks to trash the information space.”
War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength
"Diversity is our strength". Fits right in.
https://www.peaceproject.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/...
Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine
#18Meanwhile the NYT hosts a tiny AP story on the new Reporters Without Borders report, under the "Europe" section [1]. Russia is rated much lower than the US, but we are not free from embarrassment. See Glenn Greenwald's commentary [2].
[1] http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/02/12/world/europe/ap-e...
[2] https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/12/u-s-drops-49th...
Re: A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine
#19> a prominent news anchor reviewed the coming events as if they were part of a film script, musing on how best to entertain the audience and questioning who that week’s enemy should be. Having avoided traditional American news sources for a long time (10+ years), whenever I get a glimpse of it now (especially cable news sources), I always got the sense that this is exactly how American news is produced.
Russia is a small country (as population and industry) compared to US and EU. It cant afford to reinvent the way a modern society, government, media, etc. works. The state propaganda machine is a direct copy of what the US and especially the UK governments have built.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, with Russia's already severe lack of independent media or freedom of speech and the active repression of both, things are certainly looking a lot bleaker than anywhere in the west, including the US.
The problem with US propaganda (like New York Times) is the US is the far more powerful mafia boss than say Russia. (Just look at militant attacks which reach across the world, not to mention incarceration.) Furthermore, people should be concerned with their own country's criminality, not hypocritically pointing the finger at official enemies like Russia. (As this is a US-dominated forum.)
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