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Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by acg »

jsz0 wrote: post #28
lamby wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is misleading. Webkit, the core component of Chrome, has been worked on for far more than 2 years.

Misleading yes but a valid point still. Microsoft could use WebKit in IE but instead their deep hatred and mistrust of open source software is standing in the way of providing their customers a better product.

To be fair it also may be the architecture that they've chosen for IE and windows. My understanding is that bits of IE form part of the windows O/S by it's use of COM: I'm guessing that Microsoft would like to honor a lot of the interfaces for these components.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by icey »

mattmaroon wrote: post #26

Not really very relevant. Anyone who knows what a benchmark is is already running something other than IE. And who would install a Chrome plugin for IE when they could just as easily use Chrome?

If they don't realize what it actually is. There are a fair number of people out there who don't want to use another browser because it's confusing to them, or they like IE.

A website could just put a big "Speed up this application" button that installs the Chrome Frame plugin, and as far as the end-user is concerned, it's just like installing Flash - and they're still "using" internet explorer.

The target audience for this is not the people who are interested in Chrome; it's the people who aren't interested in moving away from IE.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by Schtarflucz »

mattmaroon wrote: post #26

Not really very relevant. Anyone who knows what a benchmark is is already running something other than IE. And who would install a Chrome plugin for IE when they could just as easily use Chrome?

I think it's a matter of psychological leap (or the absense thereof).

Changing browsers requires aquiring new habbits. Most people don't like change. On the other hand, they're already familiar with the concept of a browser plugin thanks to Flash and Accrobat. The Google Chrome Frame can be understood as a speed booster and a bunch of additional features for IE rather than a new browser.

Edit: Icey burn me to it.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by Luc »

aboodman wrote: post #37
Luc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just speculation, but I think it's possible somebody just did this in their free time without much strategic planning, like so many projects at Google (you know, that 20% free time at Google).

Think carefully about how much work this was to implement (well) and reconsider whether you think it could have been one person's 20% project.

I have some idea of how easy it is to embed IE into apps, so I am going to assume it's at least the same order of easiness to embed Chrome into IE. I think it's fairly trivial, though perhaps unpleasant work. I tried looking at the source code, but I don't use GIT so I gave up. It's part of Chromium: http://code.google.com/chromium/

EDIT: After considering your profile page I fold :)

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by [deleted] »

davepeck wrote: post #36
andreyf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Vision" isn't an easily defined quantity. What MS lacks is incentive to make a browser with fast JavaScript performance, as they make most of their money off desktop apps, many of which web-based apps are looking to replace. So actually, the opposite is true: MS has a big economic incentive to slow down JS performance in browsers, because it will make them more money selling desktop softare. One way to do this is to…

Microsoft has economic incentive to stay competitive on many fronts. I guarantee you that MSFT is working hard to make JS faster, to make their browser more standards compliant, and to substantially improve security. It makes no strategic or tactical sense for them to do otherwise -- to improve the browser is not to make the desktop less attractive.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by andreyf »

davepeck wrote: post #36
andreyf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Vision" isn't an easily defined quantity. What MS lacks is incentive to make a browser with fast JavaScript performance, as they make most of their money off desktop apps, many of which web-based apps are looking to replace. So actually, the opposite is true: MS has a big economic incentive to slow down JS performance in browsers, because it will make them more money selling desktop softare. One way to do this is to…

Microsoft has economic incentive to stay competitive on many fronts. I guarantee you that MSFT is working hard to make JS faster, to make their browser more standards compliant, and to substantially improve security. It makes no strategic or tactical sense for them to do otherwise -- to improve the browser is not to make the desktop less attractive.

I guarantee you that MSFT is working hard to make JS faster,

Then why haven't they made it as fast as a grad student volunteer did in 2 months for FireFox [1]? This kind of stuff has been pretty well researched in the past couple of decades :-P

1. Scroll to "How We Did It", here: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/archives/2008/08/trac...

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by oconnor0 »

mattmaroon wrote: post #26

Not really very relevant. Anyone who knows what a benchmark is is already running something other than IE. And who would install a Chrome plugin for IE when they could just as easily use Chrome?

There are certain corporate websites that work better or only on IE. People may not want to switch between 2 browsers & so stick with IE>

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by acg »

nixme wrote: post #8
lamby wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is misleading. Webkit, the core component of Chrome, has been worked on for far more than 2 years.

Except they only benchmarked javascript performance. V8 is only about 2 years old.

It isn't clear to me that is it just comparing the javascript engines like for like. For all we know Google throws more operating system resources at processing the a single page than IE does natively. It may also be a battle of architecture (where each chrome page is a separate process with its own engine).

So it may not just be the skill of the engine developer, but competing architectures.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Post by turtle4 »

Luc wrote: post #44
aboodman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think carefully about how much work this was to implement (well) and reconsider whether you think it could have been one person's 20% project.

I have some idea of how easy it is to embed IE into apps, so I am going to assume it's at least the same order of easiness to embed Chrome into IE. I think it's fairly trivial, though perhaps unpleasant work. I tried looking at the source code, but I don't use GIT so I gave up. It's part of Chromium: http://code.google.com/chromium/ EDIT: After considering your profile page I fold :)

He was bluffing. ;)
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