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Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they only benchmarked javascript performance. V8 is only about 2 years old.

True, but the guy who did V8 is the same guy who did Beta, Self, and HotSpot. That's like 20 years of experience in writing high-performance VMs for dynamic languages right there.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they only benchmarked javascript performance. V8 is only about 2 years old.

True, but the guy who did V8 is the same guy who did Beta, Self, and HotSpot. That's like 20 years of experience in writing high-performance VMs for dynamic languages right there.

Microsoft could have hired him or someone like him.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #5

Using Moore's law does that mean Google's development is approximately 6 years ahead of MS? (8 times faster code doubles the speed once, doubles the speed twice, and doubles the speed a third time.)

Moore's law works backwards with software. Google's development is 6 years behind MS.

I believe you're thinking of Zawinski's Law.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they only benchmarked javascript performance. V8 is only about 2 years old.

True, but the guy who did V8 is the same guy who did Beta, Self, and HotSpot. That's like 20 years of experience in writing high-performance VMs for dynamic languages right there.

And the guys who wrote the Squirrelfish VM for safari weren't all famous VM researchers. From what I read, they just picked all the low hanging fruit in classic VM design and got great performance - better than IE8 for sure. Their code is even open source. MS could just read through the source and copy the design.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they only benchmarked javascript performance. V8 is only about 2 years old.

True, but the guy who did V8 is the same guy who did Beta, Self, and HotSpot. That's like 20 years of experience in writing high-performance VMs for dynamic languages right there.

Microsoft has no lack of talented engineers, what they do lack is vision.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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Not really very relevant. Anyone who knows what a benchmark is is already running something other than IE. And who would install a Chrome plugin for IE when they could just as easily use Chrome?

Maybe users who must use IE because of the policies of their company?

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #4

If I had to rank-order the various humiliations I've seen, this comes near the top. Microsoft: "here's our best stab at what a great browser looks like - and it took us 14 years to get here". Google: "we've been working on a codebase for 2 years. We decided to release it as a patch to your browser. Our brief foray into this area has improved your best effort by 10x". Ouch!

This is misleading. Webkit, the core component of Chrome, has been worked on for far more than 2 years.

Misleading yes but a valid point still. Microsoft could use WebKit in IE but instead their deep hatred and mistrust of open source software is standing in the way of providing their customers a better product.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #7

On one hand, I think this is pretty funny. On the other, I think it's a stunning display of just how much muscle Google really has to flex (and perhaps more importantly, how much they're willing to flex). It will be interesting to see how Google continues to treat companies it considers competitors over the next few years. The big guys like Microsoft will be able to handle it; but the smaller guys might have to start…

I don't think this is flexing a lot of muscle, though I could be wrong of course. The VM was written by one very talented, experienced guy and his assistant. Let's say it cost $200k. The plugin probably cost a trivial amount (there is for example an open-source IE plugin for Firefox that is pretty small sourcecode-wise: http://ietab.mozdev.org/). So all in all a small bet with a large potential upside.

Re: Internet Explorer 8 runs ten times faster with Google Chrome plug-in

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but the guy who did V8 is the same guy who did Beta, Self, and HotSpot. That's like 20 years of experience in writing high-performance VMs for dynamic languages right there.

Microsoft has no lack of talented engineers, what they do lack is vision.

"Vision" isn't an easily defined quantity. What MS lacks is incentive to make a browser with fast JavaScript performance, as they make most of their money off desktop apps, many of which web-based apps are looking to replace.

So actually, the opposite is true: MS has a big economic incentive to slow down JS performance in browsers, because it will make them more money selling desktop softare. One way to do this is to release new versions of IE which have slow JS interpreters, and use marketing to convince enterprise customers that the new browsers are super-duper top-of-the-line shiny things, with features like security and easy maintainability.

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