It's a good looking product.
What does this offer over something like Wix or Weebly?
Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code
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Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code
#42Let me preface this by saying: I have the upmost respect for the Webflow developers and designers...they've created a highly-functional web app with the purpose of enabling creators...the process to make such a full-featured web-browser product with such a range of capability is astounding. That said, I disagree with the implication that Webflow, and similar products, solve the problems of code, e.g., the phrase "Do…
I agree with this sentiment. I think in the long run the best solution is not going to be eliminating coding but building products that eliminate the need for unnecessary technical knowledge and lowering the bar in terms of coding expertise.
I am the developer of HiveMind (crudzilla.com), it is a web app platform designed with the aim of lowering technical barrier in mind.
My approach to the design of the product is to create something that people with moderate programming and web development skills can use to build high quality web apps. That means for instance being able to integrate the work of a more sophisticated developer with the ease of drag-n-drop and "fill in the blank" type workflows. But ultimately the end users still needs to know how to code.
The allure of eliminating the need for coding is one that has been around for a long time and continues to be attractive to businesses but it is a misguided approach that doesn't work.
I worked for an employer that peddles a product that claims to require no coding, instead you end up filling out forms until your fingers hurt because you are essentially coding in a convoluted manner.
Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code
#43Let me preface this by saying: I have the upmost respect for the Webflow developers and designers...they've created a highly-functional web app with the purpose of enabling creators...the process to make such a full-featured web-browser product with such a range of capability is astounding. That said, I disagree with the implication that Webflow, and similar products, solve the problems of code, e.g., the phrase "Do…
I'm the founder and CEO of Webflow, and I can't agree enough with your statement that code is not the hard part. That's why we're trying to create tools for designers to help them focus on the hard parts (content, usability, etc). I love what Bret Victor says about this in his Magic Ink paper [1]. Replace "information software" with "web applications" as you read it: "I suggest that the design of information software…
despite my comment below, I should add that I do like your product...I think if you guys keep your focus right you might ultimately deliver a wonderful product...just don't pitch it as a "get rid of your developer" product :)
Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code
#44Let me preface this by saying: I have the upmost respect for the Webflow developers and designers...they've created a highly-functional web app with the purpose of enabling creators...the process to make such a full-featured web-browser product with such a range of capability is astounding. That said, I disagree with the implication that Webflow, and similar products, solve the problems of code, e.g., the phrase "Do…
I'm the founder and CEO of Webflow, and I can't agree enough with your statement that code is not the hard part. That's why we're trying to create tools for designers to help them focus on the hard parts (content, usability, etc). I love what Bret Victor says about this in his Magic Ink paper [1]. Replace "information software" with "web applications" as you read it: "I suggest that the design of information software…
I absolutely agree with all of you say -- which is why "without code" is misleading / unhelpful.
A better tagline for the web interactions site would be: "Don't code website interactions; design them."
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
i actually came here to say pretty much the same thing. as a front end dev, i thought the site looked and functioned pretty well. if you can get someone to build that complex of a site with some "non-coding" tools, well done. my concern is that you've taken the problem of coding and replaced it with a new one. people who don't understand how the web works won't be able to build amazing beautiful sites with this produ…
I'm one of the co-founders and designers at Webflow. I have never coded an entire site by hand, but I built this entire responsive site in Webflow. This WYSIWYG doesn't disregard how the web works - users actually have to know some CSS to build a responsive layout. This restriction limits a lot of Average Joe's (so no Geocities here). I actually learned all the intricacies of CSS by building sites in Webflow. Same go…
That's totally fine and understandable. However, what if I decide that I want to do something a bit more complex? Data-driven, even? What if I want more interactivity? Now I am limited by what your tool can do, and I've already taken the time to learn to use your tool and build a site in your ecosystem rather than learning how to code myself and be unrestricted in what I can do.
Again, I'm sure your intent with this product is not "build every website out there," but I am concerned by those with a little knowledge and ambition using your site as the easy way out for making a website rather than taking the time to actually learn how to do all those things for themselves.
Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code
#46It's a good looking product. What does this offer over something like Wix or Weebly?
I've tried Wix briefly, but so far I've only explored Webflow in depth. Comparing the two, I get an immediate sense that Webflow is a better fit for my workflow. And as long as I'm happy with the generated code, I probably won't be looking into alternatives.
Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm one of the co-founders and designers at Webflow. I have never coded an entire site by hand, but I built this entire responsive site in Webflow. This WYSIWYG doesn't disregard how the web works - users actually have to know some CSS to build a responsive layout. This restriction limits a lot of Average Joe's (so no Geocities here). I actually learned all the intricacies of CSS by building sites in Webflow. Same go…
That's totally fine and understandable. However, what if I decide that I want to do something a bit more complex? Data-driven, even? What if I want more interactivity? Now I am limited by what your tool can do, and I've already taken the time to learn to use your tool and build a site in your ecosystem rather than learning how to code myself and be unrestricted in what I can do. Again, I'm sure your intent with this…
I find I have the same problem when I enlist the use of any tool more complex than jQuery, haml, sass, coffeescript. Even if it is something like a jQuery plugin, bootstrap or foundation. Those addons are great as a way to impress your boss and get to a starting point quickly or early. As soon as something needs to become sufficiently complex that's when I really start to regret my decisions.
I imagine this tool is perfect for creating a beautiful landing page or similar. Obviously one isn't going to try and use it to build anything enterprise grade.
But there lots of jQuery plugins or css frameworks out there but they largely seem to have active user bases.
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#48So you can only make websites that are hosted in webflow. I cant send the website to my own server?
Incorrect - you can download the source from within the editor. I've been happy with the results so far.
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#49Scroll animation works well on windows phone 8. Seems like you didn't count it as `touch device` :)
Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code
#50Is this different from Google Web Designer?
- Google Web Designer is a desktop application and you can't run it on linux.
- Google Web Designer is free to use, this costs money structurally.
- This offers integrated hosting, Google Web Designer does not. So, for creative types, its easier to share a design and deploy it. (although it seems export is available)
- Google Web Designer seems focused on (fixed-size) ads (for mobile), where this is focused on creating responsive animated websites.