Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code

interactions.webflow.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 63 posts

Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code

#31

Post by evo_9 »

kkilat wrote: post #18
evo_9 wrote: post #12

Man are people that oppose to learning a little bit of coding? I guess in my mind if you are that against coding maybe you should consider just sticking with design or biz development, etc? Not being mean but seriously, stick to what you are good at, right?

Totally get your point, and we could have a fun philosophical discussion around whether or not people SHOULD want to learn how to code. However, it's pretty clear that most of the people in the world who want to create/share content on the web are NOT interested in learning how to code at all, right? I mean, that's a big part of the reason why blogging platforms, and many other user-generated content sites are so hug…

Nah man, you are contributing to the problem. Less training wheels, the world is a better place without them.

Drink your kool aid all you want, coding will never be replaced by a solution like this. It will simply allow someone to get closer to what they want before they grow frustrated by unforeseen limitations they will eventually run into; then they need to hire a real coder to fix everything, and likely replace it all, costing them more money and worse lost time.

Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code

#33

Post by Cowicide »

callmevlad wrote: post #3
CoryG89 wrote: post #2

Lack of scroll animation support for touch devices seems like a deal breaker, no?

Most touch devices have terribly slow performance for scroll-based triggers, so we decided to disable them to improve user experience for now. We're working on ways to optimize performance, and will allow a way to manually enable the scroll trigger if you really want to enable it.

I guess this gets to the crux of the problem with these sort of things where people make websites based on templates and WYSIWYG tools without much (or any) coding knowledge.

If these codeless "devs" get hired by someone to make their website and the customer wants certain things to work, the non-coding "developer" will be at the whim of the capabilities of the WYSIWYG tool they use, not their own coding capabilities.

I suppose as long as the codeless "dev" is upfront with their clients that they don't know code and are upfront that they have a limited offering, it's ethical. As long as the client knows that certain customizations may or may not be available to them and it also reflects the cost of the "development".

Don't get me wrong, I think WYSIWYG apps are great in principle, but in practice I think it's pretty limited on where they should be applied.

Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code

#36

Post by thesergie »

ultimatedelman wrote: post #16
danso wrote: post #5

Let me preface this by saying: I have the upmost respect for the Webflow developers and designers...they've created a highly-functional web app with the purpose of enabling creators...the process to make such a full-featured web-browser product with such a range of capability is astounding. That said, I disagree with the implication that Webflow, and similar products, solve the problems of code, e.g., the phrase "Do…

i actually came here to say pretty much the same thing. as a front end dev, i thought the site looked and functioned pretty well. if you can get someone to build that complex of a site with some "non-coding" tools, well done. my concern is that you've taken the problem of coding and replaced it with a new one. people who don't understand how the web works won't be able to build amazing beautiful sites with this produ…

I'm one of the co-founders and designers at Webflow. I have never coded an entire site by hand, but I built this entire responsive site in Webflow. This WYSIWYG doesn't disregard how the web works - users actually have to know some CSS to build a responsive layout. This restriction limits a lot of Average Joe's (so no Geocities here). I actually learned all the intricacies of CSS by building sites in Webflow. Same goes for the designers out there using tool and building actual sites for the first time.

It boils down to investment and return. If designers can build responsive sites faster and easier with great code output (see source code) using a WYSIWYG, then it makes more sense to invest in that versus learning how to write the same code. Front end devs use frameworks like Bootstrap and Foundation to cut development time. Webflow serves the same purpose, but all the framework components are made visual.

This visual abstraction makes it more accessible for more people just like these frameworks made web dev easier. There is always the possibility of people using Webflow and creating poorly-coded websites, but anyone trying to code can do the same.

Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code

#37

Post by dgavey »

kkilat wrote: post #17
dgavey wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the scroll animations work in Firefox either. Not just touch based devices. Didn't leave a very good impression on me.

Kyle from Webflow here. Are you on the latest version of Firefox (28.0)? The scrolling animations are working for us.

Yes FF 28 on OSX as well.

Re: Create JavaScript, CSS Interactions With Zero Lines of Code

#38

Post by coderzach »

Cowicide wrote: post #33
callmevlad wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most touch devices have terribly slow performance for scroll-based triggers, so we decided to disable them to improve user experience for now. We're working on ways to optimize performance, and will allow a way to manually enable the scroll trigger if you really want to enable it.

I guess this gets to the crux of the problem with these sort of things where people make websites based on templates and WYSIWYG tools without much (or any) coding knowledge. If these codeless "devs" get hired by someone to make their website and the customer wants certain things to work, the non-coding "developer" will be at the whim of the capabilities of the WYSIWYG tool they use, not their own coding capabilities…

No, the limiting factor in this case is the mobile browser itself not actually not firing enough scroll/touch events. It's literally not possible to do with native scrolling.

That said, I'm not sure where your premise that WYSIWYG editors are necessarily less powerful than code actually comes from.

Post reply on HN