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Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I love Gnome, and it just keeps improving. It's got some annoying issues, such as when the designers decide to willy-nilly drop important features inbetween releases (like the Ethernet connection indicator, and the backtracking in gparted), but it's been great otherwise. A genuinely good desktop manager for linux.

No change they made ever had consequences as dire as when they removed transparency from GNOME Terminal.

Never forget.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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post #35
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barely usable? I'd hardly call it that. I find it very usable. I don't quite like the alt+tab default functionality, but barely usable is really a stretch. I find it a very productive environment with no extensions whatsoever. That said, I do use a few extensions, and I'm exploring writing ones as well. The fact that extensions are written in javascript is really nice (or awful, depending on how you feel about javasc…

For those complaining about the alt-tab thing maybe you don't know about alt-`. Alt-` cycles through windows/instances of the current app! I just learned about it two days ago and I've been using gnome 3 for a year (there is a lesson in there, why was this not publicized more?). On a more general note put me in the camp that feels gnome is getting better and better every release. I like what they have done with the h…

It's also worth mentioning that this behavior exists on OS X as well.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Looks great. I've been extremely happy with Gnome UI after switching from OSX. It's fun being able to play with a desktop that is constantly improving on a rolling-release platforms like Arch Linux, where new updates stream in constantly. Instead of having to wait a year or more for big waterfall releases like OSX (Mavericks was also pretty disappointing). My only complaint is how every gnome upgrade the majority of…

Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

> Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself.

You might give xfce a try, as that's more like "real Linux" if you're a hacker used to something like fvwm2 where you have pretty much total control over the desktop.

I too am kind of disappointed in the "chasing Mac taillights" direction that Gnome has taken, dumbing things down. I guess it'd be ok if they were making significant inroads into the "mom" market where Macs are strong, but I don't think they are, and in the process seem to be losing some of the hacker market.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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So these updates are only available for Ubuntu 14.04 and other flavors? I'm unable to upgrade from 3.10 to 3.12

You won't even get them with 14.04LTS out of the box, but expect a PPA to fill the void once released.

Really looking forward to the final 14.04 Ubuntu GNOME release next month. I have really grown to love GNOME 3 as my desktop of choice.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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post #24
post #3

I still don't understand why they insist on removing window-based task management when they continue to use window-based applications and workflows, so I will continue to complain about this

I don't think they're trying to do that at all. In fact, with the activities overview, I think GNOME is the best out of any desktop at managing and manipulating windows. I use a tiling window manager myself, but I agree with (what I think is) GNOME's approach: minimize/restore is not a good way to manage windows.

i think it's only recently that applications started moving away from using multiple windows towards using multiple tabs in a single window.

I think the number-of-actions to get to a particular window (or even another app) is too high in Gnome. Why is the task/app switching bar a mouse-move or windows-key + another click away? The task list should be visible on your screen at all times if you choose, because there are very few apps that actually effectively utilize the full-screen.

I mean, every major desktop environment (including non-Linux) have this right. I think this issue is definitely something you can ignore by getting used to it but it's still an issue. I really feel like Gnome makes "different and new" a higher priority than UX.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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post #2

Looks great. I've been extremely happy with Gnome UI after switching from OSX. It's fun being able to play with a desktop that is constantly improving on a rolling-release platforms like Arch Linux, where new updates stream in constantly. Instead of having to wait a year or more for big waterfall releases like OSX (Mavericks was also pretty disappointing). My only complaint is how every gnome upgrade the majority of…

If you need a churning time-consuming stream of updates, the software wasn't written well. I'm looking for an alternative to OS X, but I want a stable OS that I can use to get work done . If anything, Apple has been shipping too much broken software, too often. The last thing I want to do is switch to a platform that actually embraces pushing out a constant stream of poorly thought out features and a slew of regressi…

Hasn't OS X become "linux on the desktop". Homebrew is there for a lot of the main packages and its easy to bring up virtual machines with whatever flavor of Linux distribution one wants for more particular needs. If you already have Apple hardware, I feel OS X is a great compromise. A great mainstream OS with a lot of support for good GUI apps plus great support for a lot of linux software. What's your reason's for wanting to move away from OS X?

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got about ten extensions running, most of them I feel makes sense aren't in the base. The one exception is one modifying alt-tab behavior so it doesn't group programs on different workspaces together. Honestly, that's the one behavior I cannot understand exists in the first place, makes navigating by keyboard nigh impossible.

As paulyg mentioned above, you can use Alt-` (tilde) to cycle through multiple instances of an application after using Alt-Tab to select the group. I think it actually make the experience less tedious.

Indeed, or Alt-| in my case (Norwegian layout), and it works for currently focused application, as well.

Try doing that with multiple instances (3+) of your browser though. I've got general browsing on WS1, Netflix on WS2, tutorials and the likes on WS3, and usually Gmail etc on WS4. Imagine cycling through those, and sometimes more for various reasons, without separating by workspace. Tedious, tedious, tedious.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

#49
Hey what do you know – I find myself not caring very much. After using Gnome 2 for a long while as my main work desktop and actually really trying to use Gnome 3 for a while. Now I'm not even curious to know what's in the new release.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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post #6
post #2

Looks great. I've been extremely happy with Gnome UI after switching from OSX. It's fun being able to play with a desktop that is constantly improving on a rolling-release platforms like Arch Linux, where new updates stream in constantly. Instead of having to wait a year or more for big waterfall releases like OSX (Mavericks was also pretty disappointing). My only complaint is how every gnome upgrade the majority of…

Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

> Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself.

Idunno, FireFox pretty nicely demonstrates that a simple, straightforward platform with an emphasis on extensions can be great. Your use-case doesn't necessarily match my use-case, and letting the users get lost in a sea of config files to customize them has kind of proven to just cause havoc... so why not focus on extensions?

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