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Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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I wonder why they chose Portugese. Unfortunately, I can't read the blog post. The map seems to indicate that the number of speakers is important, but that can't be it, there's many more Mandarin/Hindi/Arabic speakers. Does anybody have information on this?

It's a mix of market demand and potential. China has all the clones, so Mandarin-speaking people already have their Q/A equivalent. India (mostly) speaks english at a level that allows them to participate in the "original" Stackoverflow. Arabic? As much as there is a big population, I would venture that there is not enough demand. Brazil, OTOH, is a reasonably industrialized country with some industries that are quit…

LOL as a Brazilian, that was my first thought too! The most skilled developers will continue to use the global SO and only the "pesky" will move to the new site. The only real drawback is for the youth who doesn't speak english well yet, and now has one more incentive to never really learn it.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

#42

That could backfire badly (disclaimer - English is my second language, so I suppose I don't have some superiority complex). Fragmenting knowledge doesn't give much benefit. English is the standard language for the IT for better or worse. Right now a small investment of learning technical English (you need probably 1000 words and rudimentary grammar to be able to search and even contribute) could pay off a lot. If we…

> Fragmenting knowledge doesn't give much benefit. What about Wikipedia? I think they are benefiting from being multi-language. > English is the standard language for the IT for better or worse. All programmers are certainly not fluent in english. Reading code/documentation is one thing, having a discussion / asking a question is different. Most non native english speakers probably don't feel confident enough to ask…

> Most non native english speakers probably don't feel confident enough to ask questions on english speaking forums like SO.

On the flip side, people are feeling too confident about asking questions on pt.stackoverflow.com, lowering the SNR quite a bit. But I don't know how English SO was at the beginning, and I wouldn't be surprised if it also took them a while to establish the current quality standards.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

#44

I wonder why they chose Portugese. Unfortunately, I can't read the blog post. The map seems to indicate that the number of speakers is important, but that can't be it, there's many more Mandarin/Hindi/Arabic speakers. Does anybody have information on this?

Wait, I don't think they explicitly chose Portuguese. My understanding is that it was proposed [0] by the community and things worked from there (ie. this announcement is only about SO admins making it official and moving the site out of beta).

[0] https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/23539/stack-overf...

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

#45

I wonder why they chose Portugese. Unfortunately, I can't read the blog post. The map seems to indicate that the number of speakers is important, but that can't be it, there's many more Mandarin/Hindi/Arabic speakers. Does anybody have information on this?

It's a mix of market demand and potential. China has all the clones, so Mandarin-speaking people already have their Q/A equivalent. India (mostly) speaks english at a level that allows them to participate in the "original" Stackoverflow. Arabic? As much as there is a big population, I would venture that there is not enough demand. Brazil, OTOH, is a reasonably industrialized country with some industries that are quit…

This is appalling, but sometimes in my work I can better express myself in English than in my mother tongue. It's not because there is much more material in English, but because there is so much high quality material in English. With this we are basically encouraging removal of high quality material from the web. Remeber: the internets are english and there are no girls on the internet :D

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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I can't imagine ever searching for a solution to a problem in Portuguese. I never google in Portuguese, ever. Content quality is just abismal.

You know very well that a lot of people in Brazil have really bad english and even though they might be able to read some english pages they are going to have a hard time asking SO questions.

You know very well

How would you know that? Not every Portuguese speaking user here in from Brazil, and as one of them, frankly I don't have any idea of the English proficiency of Brazilian programmers.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

#47

That could backfire badly (disclaimer - English is my second language, so I suppose I don't have some superiority complex). Fragmenting knowledge doesn't give much benefit. English is the standard language for the IT for better or worse. Right now a small investment of learning technical English (you need probably 1000 words and rudimentary grammar to be able to search and even contribute) could pay off a lot. If we…

Yes fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) English is the defacto language for IT/Engineering - just as pre ww2 for some fields German was a mandatory language and before that all natural philosophers of course used Latin.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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According to the blog post: Queríamos começar com uma comunidade que atendesse a dois requisitos: 1) Um grande número de desenvolvedores talentosos, em que 2) Grande parte deles se sentisse muito mais confortável em falar sua própria língua do que o inglês Which roughly translates to: We wanted to start with a community that fulfilled two criteria: 1) A large number of talented developers in which, 2) A large part of…

They have 1M visitors form Portugal?! How is that possible? The country as a whole only has ~10M people, and as a Portuguese programmer working here myself, I don't think we have an extraordinary number of programmers per capita.

Quantcast shows ~200K uniques from Portugal, which seems much closer to reality.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

#49
I am from Brazil, and although I understand the "dangers" of this idea (like community fragmentation, and why not other widely spoken languages, like Hindi) I really like the initiative.

Although as you can see from this text, I can read and write english, I am a absolute minority in Brazil, most people here don't understand english at ALL, just look at the map in the post, they had 3.4M Brazillian visitors, and 1M Portuguese visitors, but Brazil has 200 million people, portugal has 10 million people, this means that Brazil with literally 20 times more people than Portugal, can only have 3 times the visits on a english speaking site.

Compare this to Brazil own internet use, Brazil is one of the countries with widest internet use, its internet culture resemble Japan and China, where it has a very strong "local" internet, because people don't know any other foreign language.

Some people might say: "But to code you must know english!" Well, you don't, I started coding when I was 6 years old, taught by my dad, that still does not know english, what happen in those cases, is that keywords (like goto, print, etc...) are just that, keywords, they are like mantra, enchantments, magic words that you type, and the computer do something, when I learned GWBASIC I had no idea what "if, else, then" meant, except they were mandatory when I wanted to control program flow, I had no idea what "GOTO" means, except that it made the program jump to somewhere else, the first time I saw "GOTO" written as "go to" I was amazed to learn that it was actually two words!

And this still stands, my dad, and most of my co-workers (I worked once in a company with 40 programmers, only 4 knew english), they might even search stuff in google in english, but usually they do this for example by copying and pasting errors from the compiler, the error is in english, but they have no idea what is the literal meaning or translation, and after the search is done, they use google translate.

Portuguese language programming groups are very strong here, for example I am in the C++, Android, Lua and some other mailing lists, there is almost no connection between those lists and the english language ones, because the overlap is too thin, few people in the portuguese speaking lists know english, and the ones that DO know english, keep themselves to english lists because of higher volume and content.

I expect that pt.so will take some time to reach the original SO quality, but I also expect it to mean much for brazillian community.

And curse you SO devs, I wanted to make that as my startup! :P (I am half-serious, if I had time I would have made PT SO myself)

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

#50

That could backfire badly (disclaimer - English is my second language, so I suppose I don't have some superiority complex). Fragmenting knowledge doesn't give much benefit. English is the standard language for the IT for better or worse. Right now a small investment of learning technical English (you need probably 1000 words and rudimentary grammar to be able to search and even contribute) could pay off a lot. If we…

Yes fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) English is the defacto language for IT/Engineering - just as pre ww2 for some fields German was a mandatory language and before that all natural philosophers of course used Latin.

English is not, anything is better than having a knowledge and discussion spread over an hodge-podge of languages. And I say this has a non-native English speaker.
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