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How to get a job after you've been rejected

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Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

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Lots of people have spent more than 100 hours on their job search, spread across hundreds of companies. The idea is - what if you focused on the ones you really want, and put more effort into those?

While on unemployment, people are often required to spread their search across hundreds of companies. After being laid off, I was unemployed for several months and was required to submit at least 3 applications a week. On the face, that doesn't sound like many, and for some fields it probably isn't heard. But if you're in a specialized field, even finding 3 open positions to apply for becomes a full-time job. And eac…

I've been there too, though I found I was much more spread out. During my last unemployment stint I would send out 20+ applications per day. This was just to make sure that people out there knew that I was looking. At the same time I would do the more focused approach of researching 1 or 2 firms at a time, asking friends for introductions, meeting people and all that.

3 applications a week seems like a very odd number. It's too small to be a wide shotgun approach, and too big to be focused.

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

#42
I used to believe a long time ago (when I was younger) that anything is possible -- so long as you work hard. But the reality is it's more complicated than that. Some people have pure talent; no matter how hard you work, you can never achieve their level of talent in a lifetime. Some people have access to the proper network effects, i.e. genetic lottery. It all comes down to analyzing your situation and making the best out of it. Who cares about some shitty programming job that's 9-5? That's overrated. Build something you're passionate about, that you love to show others. It can be something simple at first, but slowly you'll gain insight into what you really want to do.

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

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I think that the over all sentiment of this post is correct - hard work can pay off, and sometimes not in how you originally expected.

I also recently applied to a company, Blizzard Entertainment in Austin, that I have wanted to work for since 1999. In 1999 I didn't program, but playing their games got me into programming (through reverse engineering the games) and I have wanted to work there ever since. I applied for internships through the years, and then after school I started applying for full time positions. I never once even got a response, other than the automated rejection emails that come 2-3 months later. A few months ago they actually called me though, and I had the opportunity to go through the interview process for a .NET position. I sailed through the technical phone interview and was given a take home project to work on, for a week. It had some requirements that involved some design patterns that I'd never used before, but I easily put in 60+ hours on the project after getting home from my current job. After seeing that submission though, they decided to not continue with the interview. It's hard being rejected by a company that you've dreamed of working for for so long, especially when the rejection was after they looking at my code. As a coder, that code is all I am evaluated by during that phase of the project, so it's rough. I couldn't let it end there though. I researched the design patterns requested and completely re-wrote the project. In retrospect, my 2nd attempt was much better than my first. I don't know if the developers I spoke with, from Austin, saw my 2nd attempt or not, because I was going through a recruiter of theirs from CA. The recruiter basically just cut off all communication, and I got no feedback as to what I could have improved on.

But, I didn't stop there! That was basically 2 rejections. I decided to go around the recruiter and drafted up an email to the developers here in Austin - all I asked for was feedback on my code so that I could improve and apply in the future. I didn't have any of their emails, but I had their names. I sent the email to various combinations of their name and magically one went through. The guy responded literally 10 minutes later. He seemed open to helping but was busy (this was happening during thanksgiving and blizzcon, so it was definitely busy for them). We emailed back and forth several times but each time he kept forgetting to respond, so I just let it go. I didn't want to come off as pushy or annoying and ruin any future chances at the job.

No real moral to this, other than I kept trying and ended up with a real developer's email here in Austin. Maybe next time around he'll remember me.

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

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It'd be nice to know what the author of the post got out of trying even harder (!!) and joining Exec that way. Are we talking nice experience, multiple promotions, million-dollar exit, or other stuff?

I, honestly, don't try hard at all for interviews. The only work I put in is in doing some quick research on the company and the people I will be meeting, but even that is not so important (because it's usually better to hear from them directly)

I have had some very good success on face-to-face interviews like that, and it makes things equal between applicant and company; if a person has put in hours of work in creating something specifically for that interview, is he desperate for a job? is he trying to make up for a lack of talent? I don't think it's such a positive thing as this article would lead one to believe.

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

#45
WTF? But she never got a job after being rejected! She managed to get a failed college application reversed with her song and dance act, and that's it. When she tries that on a real job, it fails, and she goes on and rationalises that as being for the best. Huh?

This post has no point at all. And as someone who does his fair share of hiring, it is terrible advice anyway. If you really, really want another chance, just ask. I'll usually give someone a second shot if they seem to really want it, and give them an opportunity to explain why I was wrong the first time.

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

#46
post #45

WTF? But she never got a job after being rejected! She managed to get a failed college application reversed with her song and dance act, and that's it. When she tries that on a real job, it fails, and she goes on and rationalises that as being for the best. Huh? This post has no point at all. And as someone who does his fair share of hiring, it is terrible advice anyway. If you really, really want another chance, jus…

Couldn't agree more except one small difference:

> This post has no point at all.

Yes, it does have a point. It is an advertisement for her product. Notice the connection between "spending 100 hours" and a product called "give it 100"... that is hardly an accident :)

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

#47
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so what you're saying is your "technique" doesn't even work for you

That's right, it doesn't always work. (See the second half of the article, "100 hours doesn't always work")

There's a subtlety -- in "100 hours does't always work" you describe how simply putting the time in isn't sufficient to get the outcome. You still tried, and you (unfortunately) failed. In the case of YC, it seems that you chose not to try (though you likely already spent 100 hours for the original interview process, right?).

I think you may want to write a blog post about that: How do you choose which project to invest 100 units into? And, how do you measure the success of that decision both in the short- and long-terms?

For example, do you think the Evernote application had long-run benefits? Did it help you in getting a different job down the road? Those are the kind of stories I think would be interesting to connect to the give it 100 project.

Best of luck on the endeavor!

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

#48

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If there's a job you really want.. you should do anything in your power to try to get it. No really, you shouldn't. For the sake of your long-term self-esteem & professional stature, what you should be looking for is a 2-way street. Which is not to say you should apply for companies that are hard to get into, or for which get tons of applicants that you'll have to stand out against -- of course you should. And of cou…

There is nothing wrong with working hard to get their attention. It isn't a 2-way street until you've already proven yourself, that's when the relationship become symbiotic. The dating analogies don't apply.

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Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

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The point is that as with dating, there's a penalty (in some cases fatal) that comes with trying too hard -- you just come off as cloying and desperate. The OP clearly exceeded that threshold, by leaps and bounds.

Assuming you put a decent effort into the process prior to applying: The point is, at this point you've already been told no. The worst case scenario is that you're told "Still no." Depending on what it is you do to impress them, that can be used in other scenarios. You make some marketing plan or a brochure or redo a website? Stick it in your back pocket and save it again for later. So you look desperate? So what? E…

How someone conducts themselves in response to rejection can affect future opportunities.

It isn't uncommon to be reject a candidate for one job, but approach them about a different job that better fits their skillset. This can happen even year or two down the road if that candidate left a good impression with a senior person who hires people regularly.

Worst case scenario is that not only are you rejected for that job, but are considered not hirable for other positions in the future. Trying to prove someone wrong after they have rejected you for a position indicates that you do not respect their decision, and feel entitled to reconsideration after they already made their choice clear. It's disrespectful.

Keep your dignity, and maybe that job rejection turns into a valuable opportunity down the road.

Re: How to get a job after you've been rejected

#50
post #42

I used to believe a long time ago (when I was younger) that anything is possible -- so long as you work hard. But the reality is it's more complicated than that. Some people have pure talent; no matter how hard you work, you can never achieve their level of talent in a lifetime. Some people have access to the proper network effects, i.e. genetic lottery. It all comes down to analyzing your situation and making the be…

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