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Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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How this is a big surprise? If the man you're looking for is one in a million, we've probably got a thousand of them for you to pick from. But I think there needs to be a defense made about cheap indian labour & why it works for american firms (more than the french or germans). I'm sitting in Bangalore right now and I can see why this happened. We all speak English, we grew up watching Simpsons and can quote Friends…

> Most of us spoke English as a first language (at least as good as one), nearly all of us bilingual (and not in the same languages) who were used to our English being misunderstood. I have to disagree I find that a lot of people from India do not pronounce the syllables in the way that a native speaker does.

Like the way that we have American English, British English, Singapore English, India also has its own flavor of Indian English.

Also like how American and British English spell some words differently (color vs colour), Indian English also has that spelling difference. You can't really say they're wrong, just..different.

It has its own Wikipedia page too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Well, there is nothing surprising in it at the same time it is clearly not what that article is suggesting.

-- It's a measure of India's strength in software services and the number of engineers it produces that some of the world's largest IT companies have more employees in India now than in their home countries. --

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Must be just you but I can understand a Southerner or someone from New York or Boston, UK/AUS/NZ/Canada any day of the week compared to Tarun I talked to this morning. I am talking about business conversations not people using slang or localized words/sayings.

When I worked in tech support, I spoke with a lot of different people with a lot of different accents. The issue I discovered between Southern accents and Indian accents is, Southerners tend to talk slowly. That helps me process what they're trying to say (although their slang still throws me). The Indians I spoke to tend to speak English very quickly, more quickly than most Americans I know. The accent might be more…

Oh my, this is funny.

What would work for the Indians is the English English cliche of British civil servants -- everyone understands English if you make a point of speaking sloowwllyy and e-nun-ci-ate cleeaarrllyy.

(Not a native speaker, even if I've read mostly in English since I was a teenager. Which was a while ago.)

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most of us spoke English as a first language (at least as good as one), nearly all of us bilingual (and not in the same languages) who were used to our English being misunderstood. I have to disagree I find that a lot of people from India do not pronounce the syllables in the way that a native speaker does.

Like the way that we have American English, British English, Singapore English, India also has its own flavor of Indian English. Also like how American and British English spell some words differently (color vs colour), Indian English also has that spelling difference. You can't really say they're wrong, just..different. It has its own Wikipedia page too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English

Well if its on wikipedia then we know it must be official.

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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> And the vast numbers are because there are a lot of bad engineers. > On top of that my college had an FSF chapter, I volunteered there for 2 months after college and spent 2 years on an open-source project. Awesome re: FSF chapter and Open Source. If more Indian programmers did things like this (as well as start disruptive businesses) to show they're passionate about software, rather than wanting to be an engineer…

You may bump into some of them here? - http://www.thestartupcentre.com/

Um... Why is it inappropriate to suggest that one might bump into passionate and talented programmers at the startup centre?

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Wow, another 'China' is going to steal more jobs. lol

this is not new - china has maybe been more in the spotlight - IT has been outsourced to India atleast for 2 decades now - those jobs are already "stolen" if you will. The real story if you care to put aside your bias though - is that a bulk of what these guys are doing is IT grunt work - stuff thats in IT terms "menial" - solving simple tickets, implementing basic CRUD stuff etc. Stuff that a good programmer in the…

You're missing the second order effects. In the old days the route into the industry for non-traditional candidates was to start on the helpdesk or in QA and work hard and then get the nod to move across to engineering if you were good. One of the best managers I ever worked for got her start that way. But if this "menial" work is outsourced, where does that leave us in the West? Without one stream of high quality talent.

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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post #23

Wow, another 'China' is going to steal more jobs. lol

this is not new - china has maybe been more in the spotlight - IT has been outsourced to India atleast for 2 decades now - those jobs are already "stolen" if you will. The real story if you care to put aside your bias though - is that a bulk of what these guys are doing is IT grunt work - stuff thats in IT terms "menial" - solving simple tickets, implementing basic CRUD stuff etc. Stuff that a good programmer in the…

It is not new, but it is getting worse now. The IBM case mentioned in the article is a good example.

btw: most western developers also work on simple tickets and CRUD stuff, which is, ironically, the major functionality of most software.

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