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AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

That's because caffeine is legal and therefore dirt cheap.

If crack was dirt cheap, people would still rob to get the money for it, because they couldn't hold down a decent job while using it.

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This, the Parallel Construction story, and the Patriot act having been principally used for the War on Drugs than terror... has made me consider that the War on Drugs may actually be more dangerous to Liberty than the war on terror. No doubt it's basic premise, that putting a substance into one's own body is a "crime", is a pernicious lie. The War on Terror's pernicious lie is twofold: Terrorism isn't a crime, and th…

The Economist rants on this every couple of months, and I couldn't agree more.

The war on drugs is a terrible misstep. Drugs should never have been a criminal issue, they should be strictly a public health issue. But we're far too entrenched to make that change now.

Watch "The House I Live In" (streaming on Netflix) for a ridiculously detailed picture of the problem

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

Sounds like you need to read-up on the prohibition and what making alcohol illegal did to our country.

It's a question of what does more harm than good. The vast majority of people who drink alcohol can still be sober at work. Whereas a crack addict will tend to be high all day, unable to work, thus needing to rob to feed their addiction.

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Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

Sounds like you need to read-up on the prohibition and what making alcohol illegal did to our country.

I didn't mention alcohol - I was talking about caffeine. Alcohol is in a class all by itself in terms of the social issues it can cause.

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They call non-smartphones 'feature phones' and unlike 3g network phones, they all have gps as part of the CDR. LTE has it as well, only 3g doesn't. 3g network stuff uses old PPoE because phone companies are lazy.

You're saying every low-end phone has GPS active, then gets and transmits a fix for every phone call?

Even without GPS, the cell phone position can often be triangulated by the tower itself.

That even has a compelling public safety justification (911 calls) so it wouldn't surprise me if phone companies were already doing that as a matter of course.

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This, the Parallel Construction story, and the Patriot act having been principally used for the War on Drugs than terror... has made me consider that the War on Drugs may actually be more dangerous to Liberty than the war on terror. No doubt it's basic premise, that putting a substance into one's own body is a "crime", is a pernicious lie. The War on Terror's pernicious lie is twofold: Terrorism isn't a crime, and th…

And now you know why David Simon was one of the few people speaking up about why PRISM wasn't really a big deal, as he has seen firsthand the effect of the War of Drugs on minorities through his work on The Wire.

If the government should have the power to do these types of investigations (and the people keep voting people in who are 'Tough on Crime' so apparently they feel the government should have that power...), then at least the NSA's abuses are essentially equal opportunity with some form of judicial oversight applied. Minorities don't seem to even get that much when we're talking about DEA, FBI, etc.

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s/Drugs/Terror

So how exactly do we stop the terrorists from harming us, then? Send them a C&D?

No dude, all we have to do is be nice to everybody, increase our foreign aid even further, and establish Shariah law within the U.S.

Oh, and somehow ignore the First Amendment and ban American citizens from insulting certainly notable religious figures. Then they will surely leave us alone.

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Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

Sounds like you need to read-up on the prohibition and what making alcohol illegal did to our country.

Were alcoholics robbing people for money to feed their habit during Prohibition?

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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This, the Parallel Construction story, and the Patriot act having been principally used for the War on Drugs than terror... has made me consider that the War on Drugs may actually be more dangerous to Liberty than the war on terror. No doubt it's basic premise, that putting a substance into one's own body is a "crime", is a pernicious lie. The War on Terror's pernicious lie is twofold: Terrorism isn't a crime, and th…

I can appreciate where you're coming from with regards to the basic premise of the war on drugs. Like the old adage says: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The thing that tears me up about it is that some of these drugs (primarily meth and to a lesser degree heroin) completely obliterate lives and leave a huge cost to the general welfare of society. I don't think that we should be throwing users in jail instead of treatment, but a place where methamphetamine is legal and freely available is a scary place. I think there is a line between legalizing and decriminalizing and I'm not sure I'd want to see some drugs legalized. Weed, MDMA, I can see being legalized, but the hardcore stuff I'd be more comfortable simply decriminalizing usage.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They call non-smartphones 'feature phones' and unlike 3g network phones, they all have gps as part of the CDR. LTE has it as well, only 3g doesn't. 3g network stuff uses old PPoE because phone companies are lazy.

You're saying every low-end phone has GPS active, then gets and transmits a fix for every phone call?

No, it doesn't work that way -- it's actually rather ingenious. It turns out that a cell phone system can determine a phone's position with reasonable accuracy by comparing its arrival times at different cell towers.

With two towers receiving a cell phone's signal, the phone can be located along a line. With three towers, it can be located as a point. It's all to do with the cell signal's arrival time, and it's sort of like radar in reverse.

No GPS needed. A GPS-equipped phone provides more accurate positions, but the passive cell-towers method is suitable for many applications.

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