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AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by genwin »

moens wrote: post #4
ryusage wrote: post #3

Interesting. At first glance, this feels wrong, but thinking about it more, the only significant issue I really have with it is that it seems strange for the DEA to be allowed to issue its own warrants.

...and for there to be a war on drugs in the first place. Eliminate the fundamentals, and there should be no issues at all, really.

I have a problem with a war on marijuana, or violating the Constitution during the war on drugs. But otherwise I don't have a problem with a war on meth or crack or other drugs that increase the odds that I'll be a victim of violent crime or robbery. (I'd punish simple users with rehab rather than prison.)

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Post by tel »

jivatmanx wrote: post #19

This, the Parallel Construction story, and the Patriot act having been principally used for the War on Drugs than terror... has made me consider that the War on Drugs may actually be more dangerous to Liberty than the war on terror. No doubt it's basic premise, that putting a substance into one's own body is a "crime", is a pernicious lie. The War on Terror's pernicious lie is twofold: Terrorism isn't a crime, and th…

You can also take a look at the worldwide impact it's had through empowering Colombian cartels for instance.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by pstuart »

genwin wrote: post #31
moens wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and for there to be a war on drugs in the first place. Eliminate the fundamentals, and there should be no issues at all, really.

I have a problem with a war on marijuana, or violating the Constitution during the war on drugs. But otherwise I don't have a problem with a war on meth or crack or other drugs that increase the odds that I'll be a victim of violent crime or robbery. (I'd punish simple users with rehab rather than prison.)

No, no, no. Making them illegal makes more violent crime.

Let me put you in rehab for your coffee addiction or beer habit, ok?

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by aroman »

btown wrote: post #11
moens wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and for there to be a war on drugs in the first place. Eliminate the fundamentals, and there should be no issues at all, really.

s/Drugs/Terror

So how exactly do we stop the terrorists from harming us, then? Send them a C&D?

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by whyleyc »

pstuart wrote: post #33
genwin wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a problem with a war on marijuana, or violating the Constitution during the war on drugs. But otherwise I don't have a problem with a war on meth or crack or other drugs that increase the odds that I'll be a victim of violent crime or robbery. (I'd punish simple users with rehab rather than prison.)

No, no, no. Making them illegal makes more violent crime. Let me put you in rehab for your coffee addiction or beer habit, ok?

Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by mseebach »

jacobquick wrote: post #15
aet wrote: post #5

Burner phones?

They call non-smartphones 'feature phones' and unlike 3g network phones, they all have gps as part of the CDR. LTE has it as well, only 3g doesn't. 3g network stuff uses old PPoE because phone companies are lazy.

There is no 'gps' in CDR, there is the ID of the tower, which can be mapped to a geolocation. Especially in urban environments, the location of the tower is pretty tightly correlated with the location of the phone. Looking at CDRs over time, you can get an even better idea.

3G is not immune from this. There is a record of which tower the phone was registered at.

The GPs solution is good, but it requires a lot of phones and SIMs, as well as very good discipline, to properly mask your activities.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by PavlovsCat »

whyleyc wrote: post #35
pstuart wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, no, no. Making them illegal makes more violent crime. Let me put you in rehab for your coffee addiction or beer habit, ok?

Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

That's because caffeine is legal and therefore dirt cheap.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by danielsju6 »

whyleyc wrote: post #35
pstuart wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, no, no. Making them illegal makes more violent crime. Let me put you in rehab for your coffee addiction or beer habit, ok?

Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

Sounds like you need to read-up on the prohibition and what making alcohol illegal did to our country.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by genwin »

pstuart wrote: post #33
genwin wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a problem with a war on marijuana, or violating the Constitution during the war on drugs. But otherwise I don't have a problem with a war on meth or crack or other drugs that increase the odds that I'll be a victim of violent crime or robbery. (I'd punish simple users with rehab rather than prison.)

No, no, no. Making them illegal makes more violent crime. Let me put you in rehab for your coffee addiction or beer habit, ok?

Coffee addictions don't lead to more violent crime or robbery, as far as I know.

Does making meth and crack legal make less crime (violent or robbery) than if their usage was nil? I highly doubt it.

Re: AT&T gives DEA 26 years of phone call records to wage war on drugs

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Post by whyleyc »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #37
whyleyc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except people don't violently mug strangers in broad daylight to get their next caffeine hit ... unless you haven't scored a coffee for a long time :)

That's because caffeine is legal and therefore dirt cheap.

No, it's because as a stimulant it has a combination of relatively low addictive properties and is easy to withdraw from when compared to more "hardcore" substances [1]

[1] http://www.drugsense.org/tfy/addictvn.htm

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