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Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

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post #4

I'm super-happy that someone is at last trying to build a self-hosted competitor to Gmail. Sure, I can set up my own mailserver already, but the amount of effort it takes is too much compared to just setting up a Gmail account. If they can get set-up and spam-protection right, then this could be huge!

Bonus points for it being installable with one "docker build" command. I would definitely give it a shot, at the very least.

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#43
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fantastic. I didn't see any information about this on your page so you might want to make this clearer (I assure you I read it first before commenting, then went back and saw the Fork on Github ribbon, the only indication). By subscription I mean that I am happy to support an open source project with regular funding. Initial funds from Indiegogo are not sufficient to maintain a long-term service and we'd be he…

there's a big red line across the top right corner pointing to github (and licencing info there). there's another link to github near the end. apologies for a previous post that used strong language, but you really can't have looked very hard. (you know, i just read chapter 2 of 'how to win friends and influence people' which tells me that criticising people never works because they simply work harder to justify them…

Regarding your addendum, if you really view the people as incompetent idiots, I'd argue you're not all that interested in winning them as friends.

In any case, just give the person the information they need without attacking them -- they won't feel defensive and they'll probably feel pretty stupid on their own.

For bonus points, try to empathize and think about something stupid you once did -- surely you've done some idiotic things in the past.

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#45
post #3

Bjarni here, lead dev. Happy to answer any questions.

Your introductory text and video mention the NSA and PGP. The PGP system has been around for a long time without getting any mainstream traction. There are numerous reasons for this failure, but the general complexity of public key crypto has to be one of them.

On the project page you write

> An intuitive, modern user interface makes strong security accessible to everyone.

Can you share a bit more about the way you envision this?

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#46

This looks great! I have a couple of questions: - Any plans for a plugin/extension system? - Are there any screenshots of the interface anywhere? Thanks! : )

The landing page mentions plugins. There are screenshots in the video, although I don't know whether these are concepts or existent.

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#47

This looks great! I have a couple of questions: - Any plans for a plugin/extension system? - Are there any screenshots of the interface anywhere? Thanks! : )

At around 1:30 in their Indiegogo video they show what I assume is the user-interface of the app. Looks nice.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mailpile-taking-e-mail-bac...

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

#49
post #14

I applaud these goals however if we were to ever consider moving from Google Apps (which we would) it would only be for an open source project given that privacy is becoming the more critical issue as the years go on. It would be great to see a subscription based email service such as this where the source is fully available for scrutinizing and patching. Edit: Great, so the source is already available.

> subscription based email service such as this where the source is fully available for scrutinizing and patching

this doesn't make any sense to me. how exactly do you know what code a remote server is running as a subscriber (not an admin)?

you obviously can't just believe what what it prints when you click "see the source!" in a web page.

they could crypto sign the code you download, but that doesn't mean they gave you what they're actually running.

Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back

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post #14

I applaud these goals however if we were to ever consider moving from Google Apps (which we would) it would only be for an open source project given that privacy is becoming the more critical issue as the years go on. It would be great to see a subscription based email service such as this where the source is fully available for scrutinizing and patching. Edit: Great, so the source is already available.

> subscription based email service such as this where the source is fully available for scrutinizing and patching this doesn't make any sense to me. how exactly do you know what code a remote server is running as a subscriber (not an admin)? you obviously can't just believe what what it prints when you click "see the source!" in a web page. they could crypto sign the code you download, but that doesn't mean they gave…

I've been very unclear about what I mean by subscription: set up a recurring payment monthly or whatever, and I'll let them keep taking money from my account while the source is maintained.
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