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Re: Foxconn Joins the Firefox OS Eco-System

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Post by Mikeb85 »

fmstephe wrote: post #32
tsurantino wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be a black sheep type of question in a thread like this but here goes. Microsoft pursued a strategy that enabled people to make web apps in HTML5/Javascript as first class apps in Windows 8. Why is it not being adopted/praised as much as Firefox OS is? Is it because it's Microsoft? Is it because the Win8 HTML5/JS apps are more closed-system-esque than Firefox OS apps will be? A lot of people denounce Windo…

I think it is a very fair question. The first reason I want Mozilla to win here is that they don't want my data. They are pushing for stronger privacy in firefox, and although I love Chrome I don't think Google can ever support real browser privacy. I am a fan of JS on windows 8 and winphone 8. However, I own a win7 phone and got burned by their non-backwards compatible upgrade to 8. So I have no love for MS, althoug…

You should be able to make a Firefox OS app with Gedit or any text editor, or any set of browser tools (Firefox desktop browsers have a good set, and even a FFos emulator). I'm quite excited for Firefox OS myself, if I could find a decent turn-by-turn navigation web-app I'd ditch Android...

Re: Foxconn Joins the Firefox OS Eco-System

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Post by tyree732 »

Dirlewanger wrote: post #24
fmstephe wrote: post #2

I very strongly want this to work. I am very excited about the prospect of a phone/tablet OS that I hack up apps for in Javascript. But even more than that I pray for a true competitor to iOSX/Android. They just need to get this thing moving. I am planning to buy a tablet this Christmas and I want FFOS to be a very good choice by then. Come on Mozilla.

I too want to see this work, but I'm worried about Google's response. What if this takes off? Seeing as how right now, how much of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google, if Firefox OS takes off I would think it needs to take off hard in the case that Google decides to maneuver against them by toying with their main artery that is Firefox's default search engine. I don't know.

If Google doesn't pay Mozilla, Yahoo or Microsoft will. Furthermore, the reason Google pays so much money to Mozilla is not out of goodwill, but for all the revenue that Google makes off of the traffic the search bar generates. Google not paying Mozilla to be the default search provider would be cutting off its nose to spite its face.

Re: Foxconn Joins the Firefox OS Eco-System

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Post by janjongboom »

callahad wrote: post #18
fmstephe wrote: post #2

I very strongly want this to work. I am very excited about the prospect of a phone/tablet OS that I hack up apps for in Javascript. But even more than that I pray for a true competitor to iOSX/Android. They just need to get this thing moving. I am planning to buy a tablet this Christmas and I want FFOS to be a very good choice by then. Come on Mozilla.

Christmas is probably too soon, unfortunately. Everything I've read has been focused on launching FxOS in emerging markets starting this Summer, then moving on to developed markets next year, once it's had time to mature and get some more polish.

Release 1.1 that will contain a lot of polish will come out in November and will then be launched in Eastern Europe on Telenor markets.

Re: Foxconn Joins the Firefox OS Eco-System

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Post by jabits »

datalus wrote: post #15
pessimizer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that have to do with Foxconn? Is it because Foxconn is in China and Mozilla is FOSS, like Ubuntu? I don't think the parent was making a comment about either China, or FOSS, but about Foxconn, Apple (their most well-known and largest customer), Mozilla, and people's perceptions of partnership with Foxconn seeming situational.

The Chinese Government's human rights record ain't exactly spotless either... I think that was the point he was making.

So what, not related. More noise...

Re: Foxconn Joins the Firefox OS Eco-System

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Post by nknighthb »

tsurantino wrote: post #23
fmstephe wrote: post #2

I very strongly want this to work. I am very excited about the prospect of a phone/tablet OS that I hack up apps for in Javascript. But even more than that I pray for a true competitor to iOSX/Android. They just need to get this thing moving. I am planning to buy a tablet this Christmas and I want FFOS to be a very good choice by then. Come on Mozilla.

This might be a black sheep type of question in a thread like this but here goes. Microsoft pursued a strategy that enabled people to make web apps in HTML5/Javascript as first class apps in Windows 8. Why is it not being adopted/praised as much as Firefox OS is? Is it because it's Microsoft? Is it because the Win8 HTML5/JS apps are more closed-system-esque than Firefox OS apps will be? A lot of people denounce Windo…

> Microsoft pursued a strategy that enabled people to make web apps in HTML5/Javascript as first class apps in Windows 8.

That by itself is a concept absolutely no one has any problem with.[1]

The problems people have are either with Windows 8 itself and/or Metro sucking, and in some cases seeing parts of it as the first step in turning a previously-open ecosystem into an iOS-style walled garden.

[1] Well, OK, I think JavaScript is a scourge on par with PHP, bubonic plague, and small children, so I guess I do have a problem, but it's not one anyone else cares about.

Re: Foxconn Joins the Firefox OS Eco-System

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Post by codygman »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #40
pinaceae wrote: post #4

Shouldn't there be outrage about Foxconn and its production practices? Seems not long ago it was a hellhole representing everything wrong about the modern tech industry - now it's perfectly fine? If so, good job by Tim Cook to pressure them into greatness in worker treatment. Right?

Maybe this will help Foxconn become a more responsible corporate citizen? Who knows... From what I've read, alot of their issues were directly related to Apple bullying them. Maybe branching out and selling their own products will enable them to make a better profit margin, and provide better for their workers? Right now Foxconn's margins are razor-thin...

Right... it'll make the managers richer. It'll increase margins at the TOP while the bottom remains the same.

Re: Foxconn Joins the Firefox OS Eco-System

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Post by dubcanada »

tsurantino wrote: post #23
fmstephe wrote: post #2

I very strongly want this to work. I am very excited about the prospect of a phone/tablet OS that I hack up apps for in Javascript. But even more than that I pray for a true competitor to iOSX/Android. They just need to get this thing moving. I am planning to buy a tablet this Christmas and I want FFOS to be a very good choice by then. Come on Mozilla.

This might be a black sheep type of question in a thread like this but here goes. Microsoft pursued a strategy that enabled people to make web apps in HTML5/Javascript as first class apps in Windows 8. Why is it not being adopted/praised as much as Firefox OS is? Is it because it's Microsoft? Is it because the Win8 HTML5/JS apps are more closed-system-esque than Firefox OS apps will be? A lot of people denounce Windo…

The problem is Joe Billy who buys a random phone (who is also 90% of the marketplace) does not care at all if the applications he is using are made with HTML5/CSS/JS, Lua, C#, C++, C Triangle, Delphi, Dolphin, Chicken Horse, what ever. All they care about is...

1. Does it work. 2. Does it work well (ie fast, do what it is suppose to do). 3. Does it not cost anything (or if it does cost anything, an amount which is appropriate). 4. Do his friends have it.

That's really all they care about. At the end of the day, nobody cares if it's Firefox OS, Android, iPhone. So long as they can do what they want to do at a cost they can afford. Their friends have a similar device or allow transplatform communication. And they can get all them fancy stuff their friends show them (ie amazing apps, themes, custom phone skins, etc).

The people who care about the other stuff don't make up most of the market.

And that is something Microsoft as well as Google, and Apple get. The goal is to have a cool phone, with stuff that is cool, at a cool price. That's why people like Microsoft pay app developers to port their "cool apps" to MS App Store. As well as give "celebrities" free phones. All in the name of coolness!

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