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Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by anonymfus »

anonymfus wrote: post #38

No middle click on tab bar to create new tab. Simple mouse gestures work, but without visual guide, configuration and without right click + scroll. Most horrible thing: MDI don't work. Popups opens in new window, like other browsers, instead of new tabs, like old Opera! Alerts currently don't have any chrome, so may be they would develop this later. Opera Link don't work. Text selection in links via mouse don't work.…

Below there is a list not so important missing features.

No thumbnails/previews in tab bar.

No any customisation of toolbars.

No fast forward.

One-key keyboard shortcuts work, but funny: in text boxes they work simultaneous with text input.

Ctrl+Z don't open old tabs.

No image properties, so no EXIF viewer.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#42

Post by klausa »

gtklocker wrote: post #35

A thing I've noticed is that pinch to zoom is much more smooth than Chrome in OS X. How do I switch tabs using my keyboard? Cmd- doesn't work, so does not Cmd-Alt-Left|Right.

Isn't control-tab and control-shift-tab usual key combination for that?

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#43

Post by nuttendorfer »

gtklocker wrote: post #33
faaaah wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just a skin. It's a new interface remade from scratch. And unlike Chrome it's actually native. Must have been a massive undertaking. The new email client seems to be the old Opera only with browsing features removed. Must have been a quick job. So on both of these it's the opposite of what you are claiming...

What do you mean native? How is this more native than Chrome?

A recent change in Chrome I've noticed are menus and context menus. They are no longer native and I guess they resemble ChromeOS' menus.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#44

Post by klausa »

Sigh...

I was hoping they'd keep UI, just swap the internals. That was main reason I used Opera - I feel like it's interface was much more powerful than those of other browsers, but engine performance just wasn't there.

But this doesn't bear any resemblance to Opera I knew and liked.

No pinned tabs. No 'paste-and-go'. No... nothing.

I fully understand why they did it, and it very well might be just what they needed to do to survive, I won't be looking back.

...and I was hoping to ditch Safari :(

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#45

Post by nuttendorfer »

klausa wrote: post #44

Sigh... I was hoping they'd keep UI, just swap the internals. That was main reason I used Opera - I feel like it's interface was much more powerful than those of other browsers, but engine performance just wasn't there. But this doesn't bear any resemblance to Opera I knew and liked. No pinned tabs. No 'paste-and-go'. No... nothing. I fully understand why they did it, and it very well might be just what they needed t…

Keep in mind that this is just a preview, a work in progress until they are back at where they were!

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#46

Post by claudius »

lostsock wrote: post #39
claudius wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most annoying feature in Chrome to me is its inability to select text. Yes, you read that right, it is impossible to select text in Chrome. Instead, what you get is selected elements – divs, headlines and the like, which causes horrible breakage if you just want to select (and then copy) simple letters.

Huh? I'm using chrome now and can easily select single letters, words or your whole comment. Care to elaborate? Windows 7 - Version 27.0.1453.94 m (which BTWI copied and pasted from Chromes about page)

Selecting single words, letters etc. works fine, yes, but Chromium seems to tend to select whole elements rather than only the ‘visible’ text. There was a particular case recently where this annoyed me greatly, I will try to remember it as my memory currently appears to be blacked out.

(Another annoying bit about Webkit in general: if you underline an element (such as a link) and then use sup inside this element, the underline is moved up under the superscript.)

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#47

Post by claudius »

gtklocker wrote: post #35

A thing I've noticed is that pinch to zoom is much more smooth than Chrome in OS X. How do I switch tabs using my keyboard? Cmd- doesn't work, so does not Cmd-Alt-Left|Right.

I hope that there is a preferences dialog somewhere where one can change that? (On Debian, hence no new version for me yet.)

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#48

Post by Indyan »

bobsy wrote: post #15

I don't get it. Maybe i misremember but I thought Opera was a feature rich browser with an email client, widgets and a bunch of other stuff. Now mail has been shunted into its own product. I don't see widgets. It really looks and feels like a skin for Chrome and nothing more which makes me wonder what the point is. If I want Chrome I will use Chrome. OK, this is a preview but the news doesn't suggest any of these old…

I agree. I used the inbuilt RSS feed reader a lot, and I preferred it over other solutions because of the integration. As long as I am surfing the web, I will keep Opera open, and I will automatically get the latest RSS feeds. I didn't need to open a different website or launch another app.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#49

Post by Tomis02 »

JungleGymSam wrote: post #2

Just installed it and my only comment so far is that, when maximized, there is a non-clickable gap between the top of a top and the top of the screen. This is a big usability mistake so I hope they correct it at some point. Firefox does this too and it drives me insane. Chrome is the only one (that I use) that does it right.

> This is a big usability mistake

Not so. That space makes things much easier when dragging the browser window around (i.e. between multiple monitors). And the casual user really does not care.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#50

Post by andreastt »

anonymfus wrote: post #41
anonymfus wrote: post #38

No middle click on tab bar to create new tab. Simple mouse gestures work, but without visual guide, configuration and without right click + scroll. Most horrible thing: MDI don't work. Popups opens in new window, like other browsers, instead of new tabs, like old Opera! Alerts currently don't have any chrome, so may be they would develop this later. Opera Link don't work. Text selection in links via mouse don't work.…

Below there is a list not so important missing features. No thumbnails/previews in tab bar. No any customisation of toolbars. No fast forward. One-key keyboard shortcuts work, but funny: in text boxes they work simultaneous with text input. Ctrl+Z don't open old tabs. No image properties, so no EXIF viewer.

Guys, please remember that the browser has been rebuilt from scratch. It's going to take a while to get all of the features we want back in.
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