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Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

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Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

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Here's a slightly different question.

If I've posted a picture to my personal timeline, can someone post that picture on their own Facebook pages without giving me credit? Can they even modify the picture (add a slogan or whatever) and do the same? I think the Facebook TOS allows both of these:

https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

Is that how you read it?

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think we should relax about the idea that most people post inaccurate facts when they're cheering science. The absolute only good thing about this is that it fights fire with fire: that is, it uses tribalism to fight tribalism. But that's all it is. Atheistic religiosity is still religiosity, and it's a problem whether or not magical woo is involved. It's the same kind of thing when people think that calling out…

"Atheistic religiosity is still religiosity" A lack of belief in God is not a belief in a God. Your example is ignorant.

Are you so sure? A person that is conditioned to follow an idea will behave in a conditioned way, I doesn't matter the topic. When you are conditioned to beleave and cheer a "scientific" fact, it is improbable that you'll allow new facts to replace your beleave. You have made a new religion wit a new "Idol".

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

#43

Here's a slightly different question. If I've posted a picture to my personal timeline, can someone post that picture on their own Facebook pages without giving me credit? Can they even modify the picture (add a slogan or whatever) and do the same? I think the Facebook TOS allows both of these: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms Is that how you read it?

It is indeed the case. The sharing mechanism depends on cascading assignment of license of publication rights, and the thumbnailing/cropping for timeline/feed entries requires rights to create derivative works (which, unfortunately, has the side-effect of permitting almost any sort of derivative work that wouldn't be covered by libel). Although you still retain copyright (and can separately license works outside of Facebook under other terms), you are granting extremely broad and transferable rights (the "friends" chain can get to be pretty long once sharing is allowed) to a work by posting it to Facebook. If you don't want to relinquish control of a work, don't post it on FB. Never post images of value in a valuable size, and watermark the hell out of anything that is low-res and commercial.

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

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post #28

The bottom line is this: 1. Elise Andrew is making money off IFLS. (Whether or not she's giving it out to charities is non-relevant.) 2. IFLS' success rests largely on the high quality content created by artists, scientists, photographers 3. A small part of IFLS' success rests on Andrews' eye for picking out good/funny/clever quotes/cartoons/photographs/artwork Given (1) and (2), I'd say not only is IFLS largely inde…

> 3. A small part of IFLS' success rests on Andrews' eye for picking out good/funny/clever quotes/cartoons/photographs/artwork

This isn't hard, and can be automated... it's the 9gag model. Just view the cream of the crop that bubbles to the top of reddit and randomly pick out a few every day.

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

#45
I'm confused by the implication that running an image without permission but with credit is legal, but without permission but without credit is illegal. Copyright, in the US anyway, so far as I know has no such relationship to whether proper attribution/credit is given.

(If the given work was publicly licensed CC-BY, that's another story. Then you HAVE permission, under that license only if you credit. But that's something the CC-BY license does, not some built-in part of copyright law).

It's certainly _good manners_ regardless of the law. But, while you may or may not be illegally 'pirating' an image to use it in a facebook post without permission, whether or not you give proper attribution is unlikely to be determining factor of whether you are or not.

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

#46

Would this be a situation where the artist could justify filing a DMCA notice?

In theory, yeah.

It's never occured to me to wonder about how you file a DMCA notice against facebook though, or if that's something that happens and how effective it is for the filer.

Is this something that one can do on facebook? Facebook appears to say yes: http://www.facebook.com/help/190268144407210/

But it would be interesting to hear from someone with personal experience, on either end of a DMCA takedown notice on facebook.

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

#47
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Atheistic religiosity is still religiosity" A lack of belief in God is not a belief in a God. Your example is ignorant.

Are you so sure? A person that is conditioned to follow an idea will behave in a conditioned way, I doesn't matter the topic. When you are conditioned to beleave and cheer a "scientific" fact, it is improbable that you'll allow new facts to replace your beleave. You have made a new religion wit a new "Idol".

What if you are conditioned to believe and cheer replacing the facts you believed in with new ones that have no evidence against them and many clues for them?

Can reason an scientific method itself be an Idol? And if you do not cherish those things do you think it's better since you are truly not a believer in anything? Even the method that verifiebly gives humanity models of predictive utility that gave us almost all we enjoy today?

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

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Nor do they love science. Most of the things they post are not accurate. The picture of the universe and a synapse for example springs to mind. They are just a "Like" farm. They use their tracking of likes to mine relationships so you can get personalized spam that appears that it came from your friends.

IFLS is to science as lol-cats is to feline veterinary medicine.

I think it's very true and flattering.

Lol-cats among other things teach public why veterinary medicine is worth the fuss. It's because cats are so cute!

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

#49

I don't know if it's necessarily fair to call out "I F*cking Love Science". The same could be said about Reddit/9gag/thousands of other Facebook groups/etc. It's an Internet-wide problem, not just one FB group.

A fellow robs my house. I catch him and hold him for the police. He complains, "No fair! Most robberies are unsolved because we lack the manpower to chase every lead!!" Lie is indeed "unfair" to him in some statistical sense, but I am absolutely not being "unfair" to him in a moral sense. Or to put it another way, the reality of the Internet as you describe it is that a certain %age of copyright violations go unpurus…

Your analogy to reposting is a robbery? Really?

Mine is, telling your friends a joke without bothering to establish who originally invented it.

Re: Facebook’s “I F*cking Love Science” does not love artists

#50
post #28

The bottom line is this: 1. Elise Andrew is making money off IFLS. (Whether or not she's giving it out to charities is non-relevant.) 2. IFLS' success rests largely on the high quality content created by artists, scientists, photographers 3. A small part of IFLS' success rests on Andrews' eye for picking out good/funny/clever quotes/cartoons/photographs/artwork Given (1) and (2), I'd say not only is IFLS largely inde…

> 3. A small part of IFLS' success rests on Andrews' eye for picking out good/funny/clever quotes/cartoons/photographs/artwork This isn't hard, and can be automated... it's the 9gag model. Just view the cream of the crop that bubbles to the top of reddit and randomly pick out a few every day.

Small part of Shakespeare was picking the right words and phrases and putting them in right order.

Small part of every DJ is picking the righ music to remix.

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