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PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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Is this a satire? I find it hard to believe that Microsoft and Windows 8 is to solely blame for any decline in PC sales. Haven't PC sales been declining for some time now? This sounds like a pretty far-fetched claim to make here. Considering here in Australia you can still buy a new PC with Windows 7 installed, I find it hard to believe that consumers are opting not to buy a computer just because of Windows 8 comes p…

I only know 1 person who is actively enthusiastic about Windows 8. Everyone else has been extremely negative about it.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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I had an older core 2 duo laptop I was thinking of replacing, but found that just replacing the HD with an SSD made all the difference I needed.

When I needed to do IOS development I decided to look at buying a Mac Book Pro recently, rather than go with a new model, I bought one off ebay that had a 3 year warranty, upgraded the ram to 16GB (overkill) and put in an SSD for less than buying a new MBP.

So when people start moaning about how they need to upgrade their slow laptop/pc, as long as the machine is at least core 2 duo (64 bit), I end up recommending they get an SSD and more memory.

For the £150 investment they walk away extremely happy for the next 5 years.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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Am I the only one finding it hilarious that non-hardware specific software is being blamed for the lack of hardware sales?

There are a couple of reasons why PC sales are declining: 1. Speed per CORE isn't dramatically improving and most users only really need 1 or 2 cores 2. Hardware is very expensive for top line components in comparison to 10 years ago 3. Every 2 years a new chip set comes out that requires you to replace your mobo (and possibly your ram) if you want to upgrade your CPU - in conjunction with that, a lot of software is getting bound to a machine - meaning that if you replace your motherboard you have to re-license your software - ex. Windows which turns a previously relatively cheap process (ex. replacing a cpu) into a very expensive process (replace cpu, mobo, ram, software). 4. Hardware intensive applications ex. games, some software; require top of the line hardware that requires you to spend $1500 - $3000 from scratch vs. $150 - $300 for a console - in my opinion that makes a PC undesirable. The word 'recession' has been hanging in the air since 2008.

I'm still using a 5 year old 2.2Ghz AMD quad core at home. I'm saving up for a new machine to last me a couple of years but the pricing is quite steep - about $5500. The only reason why I'm willing to justify that amount is because 1.it speeds up the rate at which I can do freelance/consultative work and directly affects my rates 2. I am a gamer 3. I sometimes need to work overtime from home. On a funny note; someone suggested I buy a car instead because its value would depreciate slower!

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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Is this a satire? I find it hard to believe that Microsoft and Windows 8 is to solely blame for any decline in PC sales. Haven't PC sales been declining for some time now? This sounds like a pretty far-fetched claim to make here. Considering here in Australia you can still buy a new PC with Windows 7 installed, I find it hard to believe that consumers are opting not to buy a computer just because of Windows 8 comes p…

It's perfectly reasonable. Yes, it may seem that Windows 8 isn't "that bad", but it does have a very real impact on the market. I've seen it with my own eyes. Of all of the people I know across all levels of technical sophistication very, very few of them are enthused about Windows 8 and many of them are actively turned off by it. More so, while PC sales in general are also under assault from competing devices (like…

Casual PC users hate the lack of start button, but as a power-user I suits me just fine because I usually hide my task bar on the left side anyway. Having it hidden in the lower left-hand corner does not require me to make any dramatic changes. I also like the idea that the kernel has a lot of optimization making it faster on older hardware.

But as a human, what I hate legitimately and with a passion is having the "Mobile Web 3.0" paradigm being forced onto me with the Windows Market. Keeping games on a "real time" platform like Steam is one thing, but having my actual data in the cloud is not at all a comforting feeling. Not because I have anything to hide, but because I know that data is going to be mined for usage patterns and other valuable data that will ultimately be used to corral and control me. Features that cost money to support will be hidden behind deep menus and dialogs, affecting my productivity because their motivations are now skewed. Products they want to push are now right in my face and they know how much time I look at them, and by aggregate patterns, how to make it more "effective" i.e. annoying.

It's another bubble; There is a few applications that do benefit from this paradigm but unless it is managed very carefully, the temptation to extract my value for their own usage as a kind of user tax will always be there. The observer effect is not confined to quantum particles, it manifests up to observable macro phenomenon. While my incentive for taking a certain action may be fuzzy, it becomes binary when measured and leads to annoying false conclusions, a la clippy.

I don't really blame Microsoft and their solution is probably the best. I can't certainly think of anything better than hiding it on the right hand side, but it's still there, like a shadow hanging over the OS, waiting to slurp up less-wary users into its world, where I'll have to travel if I don't want to be left behind. If it is really as insidious as I imagine, they'll just die off as the machine leeches the life from them and we can all move along learning from the failed experiment. But chances are the machine will nurture its little human cells and use them to stomp out and consume anything that isn't it.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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Purely anecdotal, but I'm currently in the market to replace my now 4 year old laptop. My problem? The top of the line laptops do not have touch screens. If I want to have a touch screen I have to settle for compromises elsewhere. It seems, a high resolution touch screen is a hard thing to do. If I buy a laptop now I will actually have to accept a downgrade over my 4 year old laptop. Even if it's not a real issue, ps…

Not only that, it's hard to find a decent high-performance laptop that has a decent screen. If I were to upgrade now I might think of going with the Lenovo T430u, except it has a 720p 16:9 TN screen. How long until it's possible to buy an ultrabook with a 1080p or higher resolution IPS display? And hoping for a 16:10 aspect ratio is probably out of the question.

There's the ASUS UX31A Zenbook model, which I have. It's not quite what I'd consider high-performance, but the screen is beautiful.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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So yeah, 79 million PCs were indeed sold, but I have a strong feeling that many of those were sold to businesses who take a hard line against SecureBoot. But if I, Joe Average Consumer, express a preference against SecureBoot, retailers and OEMs will just sneer and say "F-you, you'll take what we give you". Just like that cable company [1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowadays I only get new laptops when the current one dies, I no longer feel the rush to upgrade like in the 8086 - Pentium days. My parents are still using my old desktop from 2001 (AMD K7) for their office + web stuff.

the only minor issue with that is that flash is a beast and, to watch higher def videos, you need a more powerful machine

At least on Windows with a proper graphics card, Flash is not a problem.

Not sure about other systems.

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