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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

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Post by icebraining »

vidarh wrote: post #39
michael_miller wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most purposes, it is de-anonymizing. There might be several famous people who share your name, but is there more than one person with your name who is currently an undergrad at Caltech studying CS? In most cases, a name combined with a little bit of context will identify an individual.

The difference, for me at least, is effort. There's a vast difference from if people can do a search for your name, and get page up and page down of stuff from every forum you might post on, vs. if people need to track down your nym's. In my case, my HN id is trivially easy to connect to my full name, but unless you go to the effort, these comments won't show up. My Reddit comments are still easy to connect to my ful…

But you can only do that because HN, Reddit and other sites - unlike Facebook and Google+ - allow you to create that chasm between the two identities.

There's nothing wrong with an individual choosing to use his legal name in his profile, but we should be weary of making that decision for others. Personally, I won't join any service that maintains such policy.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

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Post by vidarh »

petercooper wrote: post #34
kevinpet wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"everyone can look at someone's dress and decide if it's fashionable for their demographic." You may have forgotten where you are discussing this topic. I certainly have no clue whether something is fashionable. I'd be hard pressed to tell you if two colors go together. I do no know if I dress more or less formally than my coworkers, or if my normal clothes present any sort of image. My style is not a conscious rejec…

You may have forgotten where you are discussing this topic. I couldn't blame anyone for this stereotype but I don't think it's true. I suspect quite a lot of people here are into or have a nose for fashion (though not necessarily in the haute couture/catwalk sense).

If nothing else, anyone who visits e.g. Silicon Valley and hangs out with geeks there, will quickly start picking out the "geek uniform". I find it funny when fellow geeks thinks they're clueless about fashion, and still manage to dress in very specific ways that makes them recognisable as a group. That is fashion, even if they're not following mainstream fashion.

The first time I visited the Bay Area, I stood out like a sore thumb because I didn't fit into "Bay Area geek fashion" (I dressed too "smart" because it was my first business trip abroad). I see that here in London too - e.g. if a developer comes into the office in a shirt, it tends to elicit comments. There are even small but noticeable differences between how the developers and designers dress.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

#43

Post by vidarh »

icebraining wrote: post #41
vidarh wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference, for me at least, is effort. There's a vast difference from if people can do a search for your name, and get page up and page down of stuff from every forum you might post on, vs. if people need to track down your nym's. In my case, my HN id is trivially easy to connect to my full name, but unless you go to the effort, these comments won't show up. My Reddit comments are still easy to connect to my ful…

But you can only do that because HN, Reddit and other sites - unlike Facebook and Google+ - allow you to create that chasm between the two identities. There's nothing wrong with an individual choosing to use his legal name in his profile, but we should be weary of making that decision for others. Personally, I won't join any service that maintains such policy.

Absolutely. I may join such services, but I will self-censor. I hardly use Facebook, for example, because I don't want all those personal details spread to a lot of people I care less about that many people I only know by handles, but feel social pressure to add. So my profile exist, but is pretty much devoid of content, and it will remain that way.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

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Post by icebraining »

philwelch wrote: post #38
gfodor wrote: post #33

I've been telling my friends this: Graph Search is going to be the biggest privacy shitstorm we've ever seen, by a large margin. The only way it's not going to be is if Zuck et al cave quickly and lock it down to just search in your own network before the media picks it up. Basically Graph Search is the piece de resistance of Zuckerberg's vision for the world: ultimate transparency aided by algorithms to surface "pub…

I have an easy solution to that, personally: I don't share my deepest darkest secrets on social networking sites. I can't imagine anything I've posted to Facebook being a problem if it was all printed in tomorrow's New York Times. Maybe other people should take the same approach.

Let's hope other people don't post them for you. At least when email was the main social network, the effects of indiscreet friends and acquaintances didn't usually appear on Google.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

subsystem wrote: post #40
kevinpet wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"everyone can look at someone's dress and decide if it's fashionable for their demographic." You may have forgotten where you are discussing this topic. I certainly have no clue whether something is fashionable. I'd be hard pressed to tell you if two colors go together. I do no know if I dress more or less formally than my coworkers, or if my normal clothes present any sort of image. My style is not a conscious rejec…

Don't confuse fashion theory and the fashion industry. Geek culture, especially in SV, seems to have a quite specific anti-fashion with trickle-up influences. While many swear they aren't fashion conscience, they actually have quite strong connotations to things like suits.

I've always found the geek attitude to clothing interesting.

For people who in large part claim that clothes really aren't important (a) we can spend a lot of time talking about it if prompted and (b) we seem to establish clothing norms in a way that suggests we're not as anti/immune to fashion as we might like to think.

The suits thing is a little different - that's usually a (somewhat reasonable) reaction to the judgemental side of what you wear = your competence. I have concerns when it goes too far (that people assume anyone wearing a suit is automatically a fool, which seems to me to be the same thing only in reverse).

But that aside it seems that most geeks use clothing in exactly the same way as most people - express personality, as a uniform, as a way of showing interest in other cultural phenomenon and so on.

We're usually not interested in "high fashion" but I'd be very sceptical about anyone saying that as a group we're not interested in fashion.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

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Post by neumann_alfred »

freshfunk wrote: post #5
neumann_alfred wrote: post #3

"Making the world open"? Facebook doesn't even offer RSS feeds, so thanks for the chuckle. "Making the world connected"? The world is connected anyway, introducing middlemen into it makes it arguably less connected, that is, it introduces more connectedness that sucks, instead of the kind that doesn't. Thanks for honing my doublethink radar or something.

1B people disagree with you.

Not having much of a thought either way doesn't exactly count as disagreeing in my books. And even if that wasn't true: the arguments matter, not the amount of people that hold a certain opinion.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

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Post by neumann_alfred »

mcpherrinm wrote: post #12
neumann_alfred wrote: post #3

"Making the world open"? Facebook doesn't even offer RSS feeds, so thanks for the chuckle. "Making the world connected"? The world is connected anyway, introducing middlemen into it makes it arguably less connected, that is, it introduces more connectedness that sucks, instead of the kind that doesn't. Thanks for honing my doublethink radar or something.

Open and Connected doesn't mean what you think it does. That's not a statement about technology. RSS feeds? They're building a product for the masses. They just want to log in and connect with friends, share with them, and gawk at pictures of their friends. "Open" doesn't mean in the neckbeard sense. "Connected" isn't about how many protocols they support. Building RSS support would be a distraction. They have suppor…

Complaining about Facebook being a walled garden is a valid point. But complaining that it's doublethink is not.

Okay, so there's more openness and transparency within that walled garden, and that's why it's not doublethink, gotcha.

"Open" just "doesn't mean what I think it means", which is a perfectly valid thing to say, while it would of course invalid to claim "open means something else than you or Zuckerberg seem to think".

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Hoodie

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Post by d0mine »

mcpherrinm wrote: post #12
neumann_alfred wrote: post #3

"Making the world open"? Facebook doesn't even offer RSS feeds, so thanks for the chuckle. "Making the world connected"? The world is connected anyway, introducing middlemen into it makes it arguably less connected, that is, it introduces more connectedness that sucks, instead of the kind that doesn't. Thanks for honing my doublethink radar or something.

Open and Connected doesn't mean what you think it does. That's not a statement about technology. RSS feeds? They're building a product for the masses. They just want to log in and connect with friends, share with them, and gawk at pictures of their friends. "Open" doesn't mean in the neckbeard sense. "Connected" isn't about how many protocols they support. Building RSS support would be a distraction. They have suppor…

If it is "open" can I search for it on google?
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