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Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Gemini is underrated in that it produces the only prose that is somewhat bearable to read.

Wondering if people have managed to have Gemini in-front of other models like claude/codex models and only interact with that. Having Gemini act as a pure human/llm translator.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

#42

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None of the startups are profitable. What exactly are they getting beaten at? My advice is to listen less to brainrot 'influencers' that optimise for engagement through sensationalism.

Intelligence. They have "unlimited" resources and has researched AI since the very beginning - PageRank is a form of AI even. And still, Gemini is behind Claude, GPT, Grok, Muse, GLM, Kimi and is maybe on par with DeepSeek? As I said, it is embarrassing.

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Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Not sure what your comment mean in the context of parent's comment. As opposed to what, them not having it and burning money that isn't their instead like openai and anthropic? At least Google is feeding itself instead of having to create a bubble to stay alive

Google spent most of their cash, they are now taking loans for data centers too. They recorded their first quarter of negative cash flows ever

Which is still a better position that the others? My point is you can't consider that a bad thing if you think it's ok for their competitors in the field. And if you don't and your judge them equally, then at least Google has its own cash glow and could turn the gas off at any point to go back to printing money while they have not choice.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

#44

Gemini is underrated in that it produces the only prose that is somewhat bearable to read.

Does anyone know if there is a dedicated model which makes Claude output nore human readable and less slop?

Lately it became load-bearingly-reality-difficult to not only read, but to comprehend the Claude output

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what your comment mean in the context of parent's comment. As opposed to what, them not having it and burning money that isn't their instead like openai and anthropic? At least Google is feeding itself instead of having to create a bubble to stay alive

Google spent most of their cash, they are now taking loans for data centers too. They recorded their first quarter of negative cash flows ever

Google has in excess of $121 billion of cash (& equivalents), net of total debt.

Big rich companies take on debt for reasons that are sometimes inscrutable from the outside. Recently, they have been borrowing for ~5%, about a half point above what the US government gets for 10-year Treasuries.

Apple has been financing operations with debt for a number of years as part of a complex optimization plan.

No, Google is not broke.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the startups are profitable. What exactly are they getting beaten at? My advice is to listen less to brainrot 'influencers' that optimise for engagement through sensationalism.

Intelligence. They have "unlimited" resources and has researched AI since the very beginning - PageRank is a form of AI even. And still, Gemini is behind Claude, GPT, Grok, Muse, GLM, Kimi and is maybe on par with DeepSeek? As I said, it is embarrassing.

If RSI is achievable, it will leapfrog everything produced so far and so it will make sense to focus on RSI instead of incremental improvements for your top model. Startups need investment and need to show progress. Google does not at the moment need to take lead in the current race.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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When will it be available on Vertex?

vertex is dead, for good reason too

Would you mind expanding on this? I thought Google changed the name to 'Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform', and altered focus to 'agent governance' workflows, but that there were no breaking changes from what was offered with Vertex AI.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

#48

They should just give up at this point, it's just embarrassing to watch. As PrimeTime said; these are the guys that invented the 'T' in 'GPT', that deployed their first TPU in 2015, that is using billions on AI - and they are beaten by 300 people startup named Moonshot AI even. People are going to write books about this complete fumble.

Have you used Google search at all on the past few months? Every single search brings up a live chat prompt. They're serving fast AI to billions of users at huge scale everyday And they're making money doing it. Perhaps they don't have the best coding model right now (although 3.8 flash is arguably SOTA at some benchmarks), but is that the be-all and end-all of AI? Only coding matters?

It’s so annoying that everyone just points to the Artificial Analysis index (or even worse, Epoch AI, where part of the score is how good the AI is at chess) as a proxy for “how good” the model is.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

#49

Gemini is underrated in that it produces the only prose that is somewhat bearable to read.

For heavyweight work I have been using Astra, but for rabbit holes and brain storming Gemini is far more enjoyable to interact with. I'm worried in their push to catch up on the SOTA front, it's going to lose that natural sounding touch it currently has.

Mostly because it answers quickly and is more agreeable (too agreeable at times).

Meanwhile Claude and Astra like to couch all their agreements with caveats and provisos.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

#50

Gemini's Live Mode is already much better than GPT Voice in my personal experience, even though it was much dumber. It really does feel like talking to a real person. ChatGPT keeps humming to whatever I say and has some weird voices. Excited to try this out! Shame on Google for not releasing Gemini 3.8 for Google AI Plus users yet, though.

OpenAI just released the new full duplex mode to the API as gpt-live-1 or something like that. Very realistic.
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