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I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by ludicrousdispla »

stephbook wrote: post #7
thin_carapace wrote: post #5

I dissent from the comments currently here, and give the author kudos for doing what's right even to his detriment, which is much more than can be said for anyone taking a corporate job edit: I must be a real sicko for supporting humanity over infinite capitalistic growth

> I wish I could tell you my choice was based on principle > I still do not know why I walked away from the AI training job. The author didn't make a choice on principle.

But they wrote the article on principle, and that has a greater impact.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by dgellow »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #21

Hasn’t that always been the case? Companies have replaced their labour with cheaper alternatives from the other part of the world for decades. Now the only difference is that they replace you with a machine instead of a human.

> Now the only difference is that they replace you with a machine instead of a human.

That’s the relevant part, a training for a machine will be replicated infinitely at no cost. The scale is what matters here, that changes the whole dynamic. Instead of one worker training the one person who will replace them, you’re giving the AI companies a perfect record they will use for as long as they need it, for as many machines as they need it

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by raincole »

eru wrote: post #28
unleashhale wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like how the car gave us back so many more hours to spend actually living instead of working. And the washing machine. And the computer. And the Internet.

The washing machine and dishwasher definitely did. I don't own a car, so I can't comment on that.

They release women from housekeeping... to workplaces.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by amelius »

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #22

If it is that or starve, the I would probably have taken the job. But yeah, if there where alternatives, no thanks.

Yes, this is basically the inverse of:

"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by gmueckl »

bubblemoth wrote: post #9
gmueckl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a very strong take on the situation, more for discussion than a true representation of my own beliefs: The ML models will be trained as long as we as the human society in charge allow them to be trained. Progress only happens if society allows it to happen. The commercial AI proponents are trying to do an end-run around societal adjustments, forcing change at a speed that is to fast for proper responses. It co…

Is society in charge of them? Or is it a small collective of people? Edit: Typo

Society could take control back. It's not impossible. History has examples where people took control away from small collectives, although it wasn't always strictly lawfuly or even peaceful.

To take it to the extreme, billions of virtual dollars wouldn't offer any protection against a determined lynch mob at the front door.

More realistically, there is a lot of power in showing up in big numbers and protesting. It is beyond me why especially US culture doesn't accept that as an option these days.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by aaron695 »

thin_carapace wrote: post #5

I dissent from the comments currently here, and give the author kudos for doing what's right even to his detriment, which is much more than can be said for anyone taking a corporate job edit: I must be a real sicko for supporting humanity over infinite capitalistic growth

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Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by dgellow »

yipinwong wrote: post #10
gmueckl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a very strong take on the situation, more for discussion than a true representation of my own beliefs: The ML models will be trained as long as we as the human society in charge allow them to be trained. Progress only happens if society allows it to happen. The commercial AI proponents are trying to do an end-run around societal adjustments, forcing change at a speed that is to fast for proper responses. It co…

Pretty naive take. EU and US are slowing down while China doesn't slow down. In fact, they are pushing harder after gathering so much info from workers, and facial recognitions set in place for half a decade.

No signs of the US or EU slowing down

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by hatefulheart »

eru wrote: post #29
thin_carapace wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to attack your good faith in humanity, so I will ask another way - if a system was reliant on workers, what reason would there be for those workers to exist , after their work became automated?

Workers are humans. Humans don't need any system's permission or reasoning to exist. If you've ever been laid off or fired, you might have noticed that you don't cease to exist when your contract ends.

Presumably the stress one endures when their way of life is challenged significantly is life changing. Not that you’d care though, by the sounds of it.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by gmueckl »

eru wrote: post #37
gmueckl wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society abides by a lot of rules that you also learned to follow, mostly while you were raised. Why else would you even wear a deodorant?

I wear deodorant to get along with the humans around me. Concrete folks I can point to (even if I don't necessarily know the guy next to me on the train by name nor will see him again). No nebulous society involved that makes collective decisions in the abstract.

You got it backwards. Society is simple the collective that forms transitively from you, your connections, theirs and so on. You are pointing at a tree and missing that it's standing in the forest.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by dgellow »

fleventynine wrote: post #17
gmueckl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a very strong take on the situation, more for discussion than a true representation of my own beliefs: The ML models will be trained as long as we as the human society in charge allow them to be trained. Progress only happens if society allows it to happen. The commercial AI proponents are trying to do an end-run around societal adjustments, forcing change at a speed that is to fast for proper responses. It co…

I don't think society has enough power to control what billionaires spend their money on. The promise of AI is such an attractive nuisance for power seekers that trying to crack down on it will just force it underground, where it will be developed with even less care and oversight than it is now. Our institutions aren't even able to control what dirt-poor pirates do on hardware they own. How in the heck are they goin…

> trying to crack down on it will just force it underground, where it will be developed with even less care and oversight than it is now.

With way less access to infrastructure, hardware, capital, people. That’s literally what we need, it should be constrained by having way less resources

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