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I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by heisenbit »

stephbook wrote: post #7
thin_carapace wrote: post #5

I dissent from the comments currently here, and give the author kudos for doing what's right even to his detriment, which is much more than can be said for anyone taking a corporate job edit: I must be a real sicko for supporting humanity over infinite capitalistic growth

> I wish I could tell you my choice was based on principle > I still do not know why I walked away from the AI training job. The author didn't make a choice on principle.

The author tells a journey towards establishing principles.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by thin_carapace »

stephbook wrote: post #7
thin_carapace wrote: post #5

I dissent from the comments currently here, and give the author kudos for doing what's right even to his detriment, which is much more than can be said for anyone taking a corporate job edit: I must be a real sicko for supporting humanity over infinite capitalistic growth

> I wish I could tell you my choice was based on principle > I still do not know why I walked away from the AI training job. The author didn't make a choice on principle.

correct, I proceed to give this human more kudos for doing the right thing to his own detriment when he doesn't even think it's right, which is not only a leap but now also a bound above knowingly doing the wrong thing for profit

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by Orien_18 »

I believe the people currently at the frontier for ai training as either one of 2 types. First who are genuine freaks of nature and have an obsession to see the epitome of this technology, the other is people who have genuine malicious intent and probably hope that the ai replaces human. The former usually don't mean to do this, but in their obsession it results in the outcome of ai replace skills workers

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by utopiah »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #3

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it's an effective orientation to a future world where the AI will be trained anyway. Also, I don't think a PHD of Industrial Sociology is really a job anyone needs to have done, so it's unlikely anyone will bother training an AI to do it. That doesn't mean I think studying Industrial Sociology is worthless, I just think it's unlikely anyone will fund training an AI to do…

Based on https://annas-archive.pk/blog/physical-destruction.html I wouldn't assume being in a niche is enough.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by eru »

People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new?

I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things.

> You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to acquire?

If they could actually do it, I would be all over it! If you can save humanity from having to spend years acquiring these skills and judgements, they can do something else with their lives.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by eru »

utopiah wrote: post #14
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #3

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it's an effective orientation to a future world where the AI will be trained anyway. Also, I don't think a PHD of Industrial Sociology is really a job anyone needs to have done, so it's unlikely anyone will bother training an AI to do it. That doesn't mean I think studying Industrial Sociology is worthless, I just think it's unlikely anyone will fund training an AI to do…

Based on https://annas-archive.pk/blog/physical-destruction.html I wouldn't assume being in a niche is enough.

Could you please elaborate?

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by fleventynine »

gmueckl wrote: post #6
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #3

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it's an effective orientation to a future world where the AI will be trained anyway. Also, I don't think a PHD of Industrial Sociology is really a job anyone needs to have done, so it's unlikely anyone will bother training an AI to do it. That doesn't mean I think studying Industrial Sociology is worthless, I just think it's unlikely anyone will fund training an AI to do…

Here's a very strong take on the situation, more for discussion than a true representation of my own beliefs: The ML models will be trained as long as we as the human society in charge allow them to be trained. Progress only happens if society allows it to happen. The commercial AI proponents are trying to do an end-run around societal adjustments, forcing change at a speed that is to fast for proper responses. It co…

I don't think society has enough power to control what billionaires spend their money on. The promise of AI is such an attractive nuisance for power seekers that trying to crack down on it will just force it underground, where it will be developed with even less care and oversight than it is now.

Our institutions aren't even able to control what dirt-poor pirates do on hardware they own. How in the heck are they going to be able to control what incomprehensibly-rich people do? They can purchase political favors from whichever nations are selling them.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by eru »

gmueckl wrote: post #6
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #3

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it's an effective orientation to a future world where the AI will be trained anyway. Also, I don't think a PHD of Industrial Sociology is really a job anyone needs to have done, so it's unlikely anyone will bother training an AI to do it. That doesn't mean I think studying Industrial Sociology is worthless, I just think it's unlikely anyone will fund training an AI to do…

Here's a very strong take on the situation, more for discussion than a true representation of my own beliefs: The ML models will be trained as long as we as the human society in charge allow them to be trained. Progress only happens if society allows it to happen. The commercial AI proponents are trying to do an end-run around societal adjustments, forcing change at a speed that is to fast for proper responses. It co…

> We, collectively, need to decide where to draw the lines on this technology and we need to decide fast.

I hope you, collectively, don't start deciding what deodorants I can wear. (Like Bernie Sanders infamously brought up.) Or what toys my daughter can play with. (As Donald Trump wanted.)

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by discreteevent »

eru wrote: post #15

People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

> they can do something else with their lives.

Let them eat cake.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by thin_carapace »

eru wrote: post #15

People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

I don't want to attack your good faith in humanity, so I will ask another way - if a system was reliant on workers, what reason would there be for those workers to exist , after their work became automated?
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