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Taste Is All That's Left

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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#41

Hard disagree on "Good enough", most things are mediocre at best. Despite the massive AI boom I can at best count on one hand "fresh" products made with AI that are meaningful in day-to-day usage. Not to mention most of them seem to be targeting AI-space itself instead of bridging some actual business use case. Just look at all the products on ShowHN, you can "tell" a vibed product in seconds.

Mediocre is good enough, that's what it means.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#42
Everybody thinks they have good taste don’t they.

How convenient it is that we’re all so awesome according to the one metric that can’t be measured

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#43
post #35

This article resonated tremendously with me, speaking as someone who has been coding since the 1980s and had to develop my own taste the hard way, through lots and lots of mistakes. Whenever I see a software demo built by someone mostly using agents to do the work, I have to question whether it's any good on the inside - or whether any real intuition or judgment went into its design. On the flip side, maybe none of t…

It resonated with me too, and even as a once fairly prolific coder that now uses agents to do all the coding, I feel like this is all relevant and does matter. The agent does whatever you ask and provides thin judgements based on what it thinks is your motivation and context, even feeding it the context it will often make bad generic choices. I think this is the part hard to optimize because it's not a verifiable reward, it's the feel of the software. I think Herdr is a great example, I've tried several dozen terminal multiplexers / session aggregators and they are all vibed and different, but this one felt so much better to use because of its choices and actually increased the number of parallel sessions I was able to keep going. My own projects I find I have to stress every detail, that is what makes the software good now is really diving into it, the experience feels like just as much of a craft as coding was and 'taste' captures the concept for me.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#45

There's a lot here that I enjoy muddling on. And I think taste is very vital. Taste, ambition, seeing possibility: these resonate to me, long resonate, as what I've wanted to see. And honestly: I've been tired of an age of engineers that are beat down, that only want simple, that finding the most blunt approach is the only way. It has felt tasteless. Anti-ambitious. It often is still very sensible and practical and w…

I agree with your criticism of "the good enough" and "done with taste" dichotomy.

I would like to comment on this, though:

> that only want simple, that finding the most blunt approach is the only way. It has felt tasteless. Anti-ambitious.

I am always aiming for simple. If it's simple, it's maintainable and can be easy to reason about. Doing that is hard work, though. I used to spend three iterations to achieve it: functions are simple, easy to reason about, properly named and composable.

It's the opposite of blunt, though, so it might be that you meant something else with the term "simple" :)

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#46
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if they didn't make a fair point (and I think they do), I would prefer their pedantry to your palpable contempt by a large margin. I mean "palpable" literally. My body is tenser and my heart more sad having experienced the voice you just used on that person.

I miss when people used to hide emotional fragility, and not publicly brag about being physically and emotionally devastated by an HN comment.

Please be nostalgic somewhere else.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#47
post #6

> The market timed you both with the same stopwatch and it did not see the difference. It cannot see the difference. Taste does not show up in the diff. Doesn't that mean guaranteed failure in the market if you use taste as your guiding star? Therefore, there's really no way to enter the market anymore. I don't know how you then ship software or monetise it...? The market will just clone it. So... Don't share stuff p…

Well, this has been true (to a lesser extent) for decades. See "Worse Is Better" and all the subsequent essays and writing following on from that

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#48
post #19

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Hemingway wrote the same way. Here's a famous example from the Old Man and the Sea: Every day is a new day. It is better to be lucky. But I would rather be exact. Then when luck comes you are ready. The reason is simple: Short sentences are punchy. They hit hard, carry emotional weight. P.S. As evident, clearly I'm having some fun with this, but the point stands.

Short sentences were never the danger, or what the GP is referring to.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#49
post #35

This article resonated tremendously with me, speaking as someone who has been coding since the 1980s and had to develop my own taste the hard way, through lots and lots of mistakes. Whenever I see a software demo built by someone mostly using agents to do the work, I have to question whether it's any good on the inside - or whether any real intuition or judgment went into its design. On the flip side, maybe none of t…

I wonder, when you have a McDonald's McDouble, do you really care how it was made or do you just care that it's yummeroni and costs $2.99?

People who care about their health aren't ignorant about that. I think that can apply to software too: if you care about safety or privacy you might think twice before using vibe-coded software.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#50
post #42

Everybody thinks they have good taste don’t they. How convenient it is that we’re all so awesome according to the one metric that can’t be measured

yeah the skill du jour keeps shifting. Everyone wants to say they have something the llm doesn't. The more subjective and ill-defined that "something" is the better.
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