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Aristotle quotes on virtue, knowledge, and happiness

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Re: Aristotle quotes on virtue, knowledge, and happiness

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“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

I see this quote a lot and can never find it in original sources for Aristotle. It seems to be a misattribution from the foreword of Religion and the Pursuit of Truth by Lowell L Bennion https://archive.org/details/religionpursuito0000lowe/page/n5...

Who cares? The idea is pretty powerful.

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Actually reading Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics is worth it. Not because he's right about everything (he has some pretty messed up and weird views), but because it's challenging and good to think on, and chances are you'll take something away for yourself that you wouldn't have gotten from some webpage that took one-liners out of context, some of which aren't even by Aristotle.

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You know I always found it odd/unfair how religions were founded around Jesus, Muhammed etc but not for Aristotle, Socrates etc.

There actually were religions founded around the philosophers. The mathematikoi were a cult of followers of Pythagoras that believed everything was Number, and they believed they could purify their souls by learning theorems. And the Neoplatonists founded a religious school based on the works of Plato (with significant elaboration by Plotinus). Christianity ultimately incorporated many Neoplatonic beliefs, along with Stoic beliefs that stemmed from Heraclitus, who argued everything was Logos, which has one translation as Word, which is an opening statement in the Bible’s book of John. Aristotle’s works also went on to have a transformative impact on Judaism, Christianity, and Islam through Maimonides, Aquinas, and Averroes, who all interpreted his works.

I agree it’s still interesting that major religions were not founded at the time of the early philosophers — maybe it’s because religion as we conceive of it today depends on a type of bureaucracy that wasn’t achievable in the classical era?

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post #24

Actually reading Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics is worth it. Not because he's right about everything (he has some pretty messed up and weird views), but because it's challenging and good to think on, and chances are you'll take something away for yourself that you wouldn't have gotten from some webpage that took one-liners out of context, some of which aren't even by Aristotle.

> he has some pretty messed up and weird views What’s an example?

He thought some humans were slaves by nature and women were naturally inferior to men.

edit: whoa, I didn't realize how racist this guy was. He could be classified as a eugenicist I suppose.

He also believed in spontaneous generation (fair, without technology we have now it would be really confusing to understand where all kinds of things come from).

Seemed to believe infinity was impossible yet also that the heavens are infinite. Maybe he distinguished between the earthly and heavenly planes, but still seemed to think they were similarly constructed from elements.

The list goes on.

Re: Aristotle quotes on virtue, knowledge, and happiness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he has some pretty messed up and weird views What’s an example?

He thought some humans were slaves by nature and women were naturally inferior to men. edit: whoa, I didn't realize how racist this guy was. He could be classified as a eugenicist I suppose. He also believed in spontaneous generation (fair, without technology we have now it would be really confusing to understand where all kinds of things come from). Seemed to believe infinity was impossible yet also that the heavens…

many humans are still slaves by nature -- look at how averse many folks in the society are to rational and pragmatic thinking, being enslaved by religion, ideology and showing indifference to human suffering, and endless worship of wealthy.

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> 2. "Happiness depends upon ourselves." he's quiet possibly referring to happiness as a relationship (with family, friends, colleagues, citizens etc) rather than just by oneself / isolation / individual. he famously said "man by nature is a political animal" (or social if you prefer)

I expect it’s more similar to the Buddhist idea that happiness is cultivated in your own mind. It’s driven internally rather than externally.

That's near the opposite of what Aristotle intended. He wrote about happiness as virtuous action, living well. He wasn't so internally oriented.

Re: Aristotle quotes on virtue, knowledge, and happiness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He thought some humans were slaves by nature and women were naturally inferior to men. edit: whoa, I didn't realize how racist this guy was. He could be classified as a eugenicist I suppose. He also believed in spontaneous generation (fair, without technology we have now it would be really confusing to understand where all kinds of things come from). Seemed to believe infinity was impossible yet also that the heavens…

many humans are still slaves by nature -- look at how averse many folks in the society are to rational and pragmatic thinking, being enslaved by religion, ideology and showing indifference to human suffering, and endless worship of wealthy.

We need to distinguish between "many people are born into slavery" and "many people are meant to be slaves by their inborn nature". The former is true, the latter is not, even in the example you've given.

Also, he was referring to people performing labour, not people adhering to spiritual belief or ideological systems.

I see what you mean, but I don't think this means what he believed was true. I see it as categorically different. People adhering to beliefs without critical thought vs being forced into labour due to their 'nature' are very different matters.

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post #24

Actually reading Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics is worth it. Not because he's right about everything (he has some pretty messed up and weird views), but because it's challenging and good to think on, and chances are you'll take something away for yourself that you wouldn't have gotten from some webpage that took one-liners out of context, some of which aren't even by Aristotle.

> he has some pretty messed up and weird views What’s an example?

He stated, in a separate work, that women had fewer teeth as an example of his views on their inferiority. Makes you want to take everything he said with a grain of salt.

In his defense (sorry if defending him offends here), women probably did, at the time, often have fewer teeth due to worse dental care.

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The first quote is not even a quote from Aristotle but from Will Durant’s book, The Story of Philosophy (1926)

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" -- Sun Tzu

I thought that was Descartes
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