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Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

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Re: Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

#41

I'm deciding not to read this article.

I wish I made that choice. I got to "Hopper used the email address adecentguyincornwall@gmail.com to set up the profile “AdmiroDoc” on eunuchmaker.com, a pay-per-view fetish website featuring videos of men and boys either maiming themselves or allowing others to mutilate them on camera. " then noped out

Re: Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

#42
post #5

I don't know why the framing. This is easy: review the cases. If it has his hand it's tainted one way or the other. That's it.

They go into that. Basically the institution investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Surprise. Patients have a different view and have an attorney.

Re: Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

#43

Where is the line between fetish and mental illness??? Why is it that if someone wants to cut off their own healthy limbs, we are calling this a fetish rather than saying what it is, a mental illness. No rationale human being would want this done. And before people state that there are many fetishes and that people have the right to have them, if any of you had a friend that wanted this done, you would take them to a…

What do we gain by pathologizing it in newspaper headlines? Fetish is relatively value neutral, just a blank way of conveying the fact of his desiring it (against the current of normalcy).

If, as you imply, most people would stop a friend who did this, then it sounds like society already has the right attitude against it, and underscoring our concern by turning it into explicit disapproval at every mention is just lathering on a layer of censoriousness or shame.

Re: Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it tainted by that alone? It’s almost certain that at least some of the patients he amputated actually needed amputation.

It doesn't automatically condemn him but it will probably trigger some kind of independent review of his cases. Better hope it's a perfect record.

Yeah if the comment just meant a review is warranted, great. But it’s not like separating personal desire and professional responsibility isn’t a routine part of just about every career. (Not saying this is equivalent to saying “that shirt looks great on you” when as a retail worker you think a customer looks ridiculous; but the analogy isn’t so far off that we should be shocked anyone would manage to have the fetish and still be a caring professional).

Re: Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

#47
post #5

I don't know why the framing. This is easy: review the cases. If it has his hand it's tainted one way or the other. That's it.

How is it tainted by that alone? It’s almost certain that at least some of the patients he amputated actually needed amputation.

But the other question is the manner in which these were carried out, even if they were needed.

There is a real chance he caused needless pain, with long draw out procedure with insufficient anesthetic.

Re: Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

#48
post #8

There is probably some correlation between one's profession and fetishes. We already know some programming languages attract certain types of personalities/attitudes so why would that be different elsewhere?

> We already know some programming languages attract certain types of personalities/attitudes ... to say nothing of the monsters that use spaces instead of tabs ;)

> In 1968, analyst Richard Brandon told the ACM that the typical programmer was "excessively independent ... often egocentric, slightly neurotic, and he borders upon a limited schizophrenia. The incidence of beards, sandals, and other symptoms of rugged individualism or nonconformity are notably greater among this demographic group."

Re: Top amputation surgeon had own legs removed due to fetish. Were patients safe?

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post #40

Where is the line between fetish and mental illness??? Why is it that if someone wants to cut off their own healthy limbs, we are calling this a fetish rather than saying what it is, a mental illness. No rationale human being would want this done. And before people state that there are many fetishes and that people have the right to have them, if any of you had a friend that wanted this done, you would take them to a…

> Why is it that if someone wants to cut off their own healthy limbs, we are calling this a fetish rather than saying what it is, a mental illness. I do call it a mental illness. If I came across someone that wants to amputate a healthy limb, I'd tell them they're mentally ill and need professional help. Most amputees I know feel the same way. As an amputee (RBKA, due to necrotizing fasciitis and sepsis), -I know a n…

I ask the hard question then... what separates this person's fetish/mental illness from a trans person who wants to cut off their genitals than? It's weird that one is viewed as a fetish/mental illness while the other is viewed as an identity issue. Also in this article the person is a medical professional and an adult while most trans are children who are allowed (and encouraged) to make this decision.
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