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Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

jamiequint wrote: post #6

Ed Zitron also said that consumers were losing interest in ChatGPT in January 2024, that AI models were reaching their upper possible limits in Feburary 2024, that ChatGPT and similar products were "not particularly useful for anything", that hallucinations could not possibly be reduced in models, etc. He's a churlish AI skeptic that isn't worth listening to.

He's been mostly wrong about the potential for AI, but mostly right about the financials. Don't listen to him for opinions, but don't discount his factual reporting because his opinions are off.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by srik »

This seesawing of perspectives on apple’s ai strategy reminds me of that Alan Watts story:

Once upon a time there was a Chinese farmer whose horse ran away. That evening, all of his neighbors came around to commiserate. They said, “We are so sorry to hear your horse has run away. This is most unfortunate.” The farmer said, “Maybe.” The next day the horse came back bringing seven wild horses with it, and in the evening everybody came back and said, “Oh, isn’t that lucky. What a great turn of events. You now have eight horses!” The farmer again said, “Maybe.”

The following day his son tried to break one of the horses, and while riding it, he was thrown and broke his leg. The neighbors then said, “Oh dear, that’s too bad,” and the farmer responded, “Maybe.” The next day the conscription officers came around to conscript people into the army, and they rejected his son because he had a broken leg. Again all the neighbors came around and said, “Isn’t that great!” Again, he said, “Maybe.”

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by xnx »

heaney-555 wrote: post #20
jamiequint wrote: post #6

Ed Zitron also said that consumers were losing interest in ChatGPT in January 2024, that AI models were reaching their upper possible limits in Feburary 2024, that ChatGPT and similar products were "not particularly useful for anything", that hallucinations could not possibly be reduced in models, etc. He's a churlish AI skeptic that isn't worth listening to.

Exactly. In all facets of life, it's amazing that people continue to listen to those with a strong track record of confidently wrong predictions.

Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by woodruffw »

nxc18 wrote: post #29
jamiequint wrote: post #6

Ed Zitron also said that consumers were losing interest in ChatGPT in January 2024, that AI models were reaching their upper possible limits in Feburary 2024, that ChatGPT and similar products were "not particularly useful for anything", that hallucinations could not possibly be reduced in models, etc. He's a churlish AI skeptic that isn't worth listening to.

Zed publishes usage metrics for AI and they are trending down: https://zed.dev/agent-metrics

Anecdotally: I disabled Zed’s AI features, but I use LLMs more extensively than ever outside of my IDE. So the numbers may not paint a clear story here.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by tezo_cooper »

I think people, especially in the valley / sf, truly under estimate how much the average person dislikes AI anything. If you know anyone who does anything in marketing outside of tech they'll tell you if people see the word AI it generally means they'll hate it with out even knowing what it is.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by kyleweng »

EA-3167 wrote: post #35
jamiequint wrote: post #6

Ed Zitron also said that consumers were losing interest in ChatGPT in January 2024, that AI models were reaching their upper possible limits in Feburary 2024, that ChatGPT and similar products were "not particularly useful for anything", that hallucinations could not possibly be reduced in models, etc. He's a churlish AI skeptic that isn't worth listening to.

If you're wondering why these "churls" are increasingly popular, it's the reality that far from being mobbed by skeptics, the entire market economy is being taken for a ride in the name of AI. It's very much like the febrile environment that developed about Crytpo, in which anyone who expressed concern that maybe this tech wasn't going to revolutionize money, programming, and society itself was a "churlish skeptic".…

Agree. I don't pay attention to people trying to call the top, but I do pay attention to profitability/sustainability concerns.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by flippant »

nxc18 wrote: post #29
jamiequint wrote: post #6

Ed Zitron also said that consumers were losing interest in ChatGPT in January 2024, that AI models were reaching their upper possible limits in Feburary 2024, that ChatGPT and similar products were "not particularly useful for anything", that hallucinations could not possibly be reduced in models, etc. He's a churlish AI skeptic that isn't worth listening to.

Zed publishes usage metrics for AI and they are trending down: https://zed.dev/agent-metrics

This is not a complete picture. I use Zed daily and I have the AI features enabled, but I never use the built in agent in Zed. I reach for an agent in a separate terminal session.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by nearlyepic »

jamiequint wrote: post #6

Ed Zitron also said that consumers were losing interest in ChatGPT in January 2024, that AI models were reaching their upper possible limits in Feburary 2024, that ChatGPT and similar products were "not particularly useful for anything", that hallucinations could not possibly be reduced in models, etc. He's a churlish AI skeptic that isn't worth listening to.

Hah, you know they feel threatened when capitalists have to whip out the classist insults.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When AI Bubble Bursts

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Post by bigyabai »

d_silin wrote: post #11

Local models running on Apple hardware are definitely a thing, a low-hanging fruit they are harvesting right now while every pure-play AI company is losing money.

It's not a huge thing outside the consumer/novelty sphere. Apple missed the train on the trillion-dollar ARM datacenter rollout, and will suck those lemons for the next decade.
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