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Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by glenpierce »

diogenescynic wrote: post #39
tantalor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One idea I like is directly funding apprenticeship. It pays for job training and classroom instruction on a per-individual basis. The jobs are in long-term career sectors like advanced manufacturing, shipbuilding, aviation, healthcare, and technology. Here's one example: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/osec/osec20250923 In Georgia, the employer is reimbursed $2,500 when an apprentice starts and up to $10,000 wh…

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The reason you never hear that is because waste and fraud are very low in reality. That’s why this made the news. It’s uncommon.

We should be using the government to help people and when we do, it often does a good job.

Examples: Roads, libraries, fire departments, schools, safety regulations…

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by ZenoArrow »

diogenescynic wrote: post #39
tantalor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One idea I like is directly funding apprenticeship. It pays for job training and classroom instruction on a per-individual basis. The jobs are in long-term career sectors like advanced manufacturing, shipbuilding, aviation, healthcare, and technology. Here's one example: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/osec/osec20250923 In Georgia, the employer is reimbursed $2,500 when an apprentice starts and up to $10,000 wh…

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> I'd rather they just lower our taxes and quit squandering our money on these programs that never work.

Would you support cutting military spending? It's a lot higher than other countries.

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by coryrc »

glenpierce wrote: post #41
diogenescynic wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The reason you never hear that is because waste and fraud are very low in reality. That’s why this made the news. It’s uncommon. We should be using the government to help people and when we do, it often does a good job. Examples: Roads, libraries, fire departments, schools, safety regulations…

Our public transportation infrastructure literally cost 10x per mile than France or Hong Kong. That's not waste to you? For what California has spent/is spending on high-speed rail from nowhere to nowhere, China blanketed their country?

Notice you also left out police. How's our spending working there?

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by redwood »

Two things 1) we dont know if the state might have lost more jobs if these incentives weren't provided 2) the deeper issue is that the auto makers compete with state backed companies in other regions

I'm not saying we need to copy state backed but the climate is desperate

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by SecretDreams »

tantalor wrote: post #9
tancop wrote: post #5

selectively giving away free money to big business is straight corruption. there is no other way to put it. everyone involved should lose re election and get investigated by the financial crimes unit. but i dont think "leave it up to the market" is a better idea. investments like this just need to be transparent, open to everyone and set up strict punishment for stealing the money with prison for executives. if they…

One idea I like is directly funding apprenticeship. It pays for job training and classroom instruction on a per-individual basis. The jobs are in long-term career sectors like advanced manufacturing, shipbuilding, aviation, healthcare, and technology. Here's one example: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/osec/osec20250923 In Georgia, the employer is reimbursed $2,500 when an apprentice starts and up to $10,000 wh…

> One idea I like is directly funding apprenticeship. It pays for job training and classroom instruction on a per-individual basis. The jobs are in long-term career sectors like advanced manufacturing, shipbuilding, aviation, healthcare, and technology.

This is basically what grad school does too. I'm into funding education further any day of the week. For higher education, I'd only add a string attached like "must practice trade in state that funded you if job is available for x years or must pay back funding pro rated".

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

freeone3000 wrote: post #25

The money spent on site and land clearing results in a big empty field? Yes, yes it did, that’s what those words mean. If we’re going to bribe companies to do a thing, we should at least accept when they did do it.

People don't appreciate how many palms you have to grease to (legally) get a big empty field.

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by coryrc »

glenpierce wrote: post #41
diogenescynic wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The reason you never hear that is because waste and fraud are very low in reality. That’s why this made the news. It’s uncommon. We should be using the government to help people and when we do, it often does a good job. Examples: Roads, libraries, fire departments, schools, safety regulations…

And another, our recidivism rates are much higher than comparable countries. Is that how we do a "good job" helping people?

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by abirch »

browsingonly wrote: post #31
tancop wrote: post #5

selectively giving away free money to big business is straight corruption. there is no other way to put it. everyone involved should lose re election and get investigated by the financial crimes unit. but i dont think "leave it up to the market" is a better idea. investments like this just need to be transparent, open to everyone and set up strict punishment for stealing the money with prison for executives. if they…

> open competitive programs based on project quality This will never, ever happen. There will always be bonus points available, even if they're awarded to "conservative"-leaning feel-good attributes like veteran-owned sponsor businesses. These investments are likely to always fail at their declared purpose. Better to put the money towards free childcare and maybe trying to convince parents to read to their kids.

The government should limit innovation and direct resources to proven ROI spending such as free daycare, nutrition, and public infrastructure
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