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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by risyachka »

SXX wrote: post #23
risyachka wrote: post #12

Shameless plug - I created a chrome extension that allows to create unique email addresses that forward to your real inbox. It uses Cloudflare email routing, simplifies creating/labeling of new addresses and keeping track of them. Always 1 click away. The addresses are pre-allocated and recycled when deleted so creating a new one is faster that with Apple's hide my mail. https://github.com/webmonch/hide-my-mail-cloud…

With cloudflare you can also just setup catch-all and be done wirh it. I personally doing catch-all already, but problem is that using your own domain for website registration basically gives everyone unique id to eaaily connect all the information that ever been leaked for your accounts and something always gets leaked. Not a very good idea for privacy.

The biggest upside for me of having separate labelled mailboxes is I can use one, delete it later and never receive mail from it again.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by utilize1808 »

w10-1 wrote: post #6
mortenjorck wrote: post #2

> Long story short: now both Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email aliases are going to be issued on the @private.icloud.com subdomain. This makes it much easier to ban all aliases without affecting non-relay mailboxes on iCloud mail. Could someone clarify why having Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email on the same domain would make a blanket ban easier rather than harder? What am I missing?

Before, the emails were "me@icloud.com", the default for all apple users. There was no way to distinguish normal emails from generated private emails. Now, they will be "blah@private.icloud.com", so it will be easy to ban the generated/private email that reduces the ability to associate logins across services. Unclear why Apple would shoot themselves in this way; I hope it's not Ternus complying with anti-privacy.

maybe to avoid getting their legitimate email servers banned by other servers since they host (i.e. being exploited) a growing number of spam accounts.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by reaperducer »

Bender wrote: post #31
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

I ran into this with an NVMO mobile provider. They did not like my personal email domains (assorted .net and .org) so I nagged their customer support until they manually added it. Their marketing team happily emails my personal domains once added. Some day this will probably cause a problem but my goal is to eventually get rid of my cell phone either way.

I ran into this with an NVMO mobile provider.

As of about six months ago, AT&T's web site would not accept email addresses without a three-character TLD. I had to get a customer service person on the phone to manually change my address.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by reaperducer »

SXX wrote: post #28
jawiggins wrote: post #8

> If you use iCloud+ and Hide My Email, there is still time to generate more aliases on @icloud.com as the change has not yet landed and the rate limit for creating aliases is at least 30 per hour. Part of the reason to use Hide My Email was that it made keeping myself private hassle-free. Making a system to pre-generate values and then catalog them for later use is quite the hassle.

Yep, but I still generated some for myself just in case and fellow hackers can do the same if they want to. iCloud+ was the best $1 / month custom domain email and email alias service with 100GB of E2EE cloud drive. Obviously it will be sad to see it enshittified for seemingly no reason.

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by reaperducer »

w10-1 wrote: post #6
mortenjorck wrote: post #2

> Long story short: now both Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email aliases are going to be issued on the @private.icloud.com subdomain. This makes it much easier to ban all aliases without affecting non-relay mailboxes on iCloud mail. Could someone clarify why having Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email on the same domain would make a blanket ban easier rather than harder? What am I missing?

Before, the emails were "me@icloud.com", the default for all apple users. There was no way to distinguish normal emails from generated private emails. Now, they will be "blah@private.icloud.com", so it will be easy to ban the generated/private email that reduces the ability to associate logins across services. Unclear why Apple would shoot themselves in this way; I hope it's not Ternus complying with anti-privacy.

Now, they will be "blah@private.icloud.com"

I've been in the ecosystem long enough to have .iCloud.com, .me, .mobileme.com, iTunes.com, and probably one or two more addresses all assigned by various Apple services over the years before they started unifying the systems.

They all work, and independently of one another.

I wonder if all the domains will be migrated, and how namespace collisions will be handled.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by SXX »

risyachka wrote: post #41
SXX wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With cloudflare you can also just setup catch-all and be done wirh it. I personally doing catch-all already, but problem is that using your own domain for website registration basically gives everyone unique id to eaaily connect all the information that ever been leaked for your accounts and something always gets leaked. Not a very good idea for privacy.

The biggest upside for me of having separate labelled mailboxes is I can use one, delete it later and never receive mail from it again.

My email addresses been public for years and spam was never a big issue.

But yeah it mostly opposite problem I would say - spam filters eat usefull stuff sometimes. Just today I found one more job related email in spam, but its from public mailbox damn.

Privacy is kind a bigger issue and having aliases on icloud is just much more convinient than having 10 accounts.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by chatmasta »

KiDD wrote: post #46

I guess I don't understand the concern... what does it matter if a different domain is used for Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email?

Right now it’s the same @icloud.com domain as normal personal emails. Now all auto-generated emails will use a separate domain name, so sites can block emails with that domain, without worrying about blocking people’s main personal email.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by ivanjermakov »

muse900 wrote: post #24
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

Have exactly the same situation with parking in Italy. Having a private company operating all paid parking on an island is not very healthy.
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