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I rode Elon Musk's Vegas Loop, the worst transit system on Earth

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Re: I rode Elon Musk's Vegas Loop, the worst transit system on Earth

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YouTube has many videos of people trying out the Vegas loop. None of them show something that possibly scales to 4400 riders per hour.

I'm just coming across this discussion now, but I did a little research that I can add to possibly explain the difference between the advertised capacity and the perceived capacity. The 4400 number is based on a capacity test that the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority performed[1] to certify the Vegas Loop met its contractual requirements, which was 4400 riders per hour. The test was performed with "about 3…

There are some methodology gaps in that 1300 riders number as well. The four minute ride sounds like it assumes ideal availability of cars at the end of the loop segments. If the cars aren't evenly distributed, you won't be able to maintain optimal throughput for an hour.

Re: I rode Elon Musk's Vegas Loop, the worst transit system on Earth

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube has many videos of people trying out the Vegas loop. None of them show something that possibly scales to 4400 riders per hour.

I'm just coming across this discussion now, but I did a little research that I can add to possibly explain the difference between the advertised capacity and the perceived capacity. The 4400 number is based on a capacity test that the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority performed[1] to certify the Vegas Loop met its contractual requirements, which was 4400 riders per hour. The test was performed with "about 3…

The LVCVA is a public authority and the Loop contract had substantial penalties in place, about 30% of the total ~$50 mil amount, tied to various tiers of service the system needed to hit. So right off the bat not only do you have good financial incentives for a good process, but strong legal risk and public scrutiny if things go bad. While the test was not public (for these very reasons), it was attended by auditors from BDO LLP - LVCVA's long standing auditor (and not one hired for the occasion by BoringCo).

The accounting company affirmed the test results, CFO Ed Finger told the board that the auditors observed 157 unique rides and there were no negative findings. These are all public records and board minutes anyone can request and consult.

Essentially, according to what was reported in the media, they had the few hundred volunteers board packed Teslas (3 pax + driver), ride the system, disembark and take another ride, while remaining within the station limits.

I wouldn't call the 4400pphpd result an "extrapolation" - it's a real, instantaneous capacity number once the system reaches steady state, just like you don't have to drive for an entire hour to express your speed in km/h or mi/h.

The figure is of course not indicative for the real rush hour capacity of the station infrastructure, especially the underground stations that have escalators etc., when they are packed with disoriented tourists carrying luggage and not necessarily making an effort to move fast and hit good numbers.

Hence, I think my original point stands firm, Boring has demonstrated vehicle rates that can beat light rail, the basic premise of cheap narrow tunnels is sound. To actually demonstrate competitive numbers in real life scenarios will require larger vehicles, better organized ingress flows and procedures, more and perhaps larger stations etc. But these are all tweakable factors depending on actual demand at a specific station, they can run a mix of vehicles and expand infra where it makes financial sense, but only IF the tunnels have good vehicle rates, ie. no more than seconds of headway with extraordinarily rare in-tunnel break downs.

Re: I rode Elon Musk's Vegas Loop, the worst transit system on Earth

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1) The "attach" would likely be virtual, just meaning a tight following distance. You could have optional shock absorbers if you're really worried about collisions in the tunnels. Most likely not needed though. 2) Yes I'm surprised also. Any theories on why? Too much of an edge case for tesla's focus? 3) I think yes but very few building have heliports, far more have parking garages that could double as tunnel ingres…

> if you're really worried about collisions in the tunnels Cars can fail, you have to leave enough room to allow cars behind to stop in time to avoid a (cascade) crash.

This is mostly due to human attention and how the human vision system works.

Re: I rode Elon Musk's Vegas Loop, the worst transit system on Earth

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> if you're really worried about collisions in the tunnels Cars can fail, you have to leave enough room to allow cars behind to stop in time to avoid a (cascade) crash.

This is mostly due to human attention and how the human vision system works.

There's also inertia, especially for cars that heavy. You can't go from 140 km/h to 0 instantaneously.

(yeah, taking 140 km/h, quite high for a car especially in tunnels like this, but anything slower would be slower than our slow trains and would be quite disappointing)

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