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This is what happens when there is actual political pressure, need from society, and EU making big mission statements - and then there is silence. Random grifters and vibe coders will come up to fill the demand of unsuspecting masses with low quality or scam products with an EU sticker on it. Or even the wolf in sheep costume, like aws.eu
aws, azure, cohere, mistral etc on here are all linked to generic privacy policies, it is impossible to tell what retention sla is in place.
to the credit of openrouter, they do state the data retention policies of almost all, but not all of their providers.
you can check the retention level for models on openrouter with the providers list. i was not able to find a retention policy for their plugin providers (exa and parallel). both log by default with enterprise opt in for zdr.
Eden AI is a solid product and it’s good that there are alternatives to OpenRouter out there. We don’t brand ourselves as such, but if you’re looking for a European OpenRouter alternative focusing on media models (image, video etc.), I‘ve built that with https://lumenfall.ai
> You pay providers directly. We charge nothing extra. How is it sustainable?
Besides that, we‘ll introduce paid plans with additional features like observability soon.
Such initiatives are very much welcome and I am happy to to start using them. However, my issue is that it appears that many of these models are simply proxied from the specific cloud provider with fees attached which does not bring a lot of value given the 5% surcharge. Since all frontier models are owned by US companies, I think better alternative is to focus on open source models only that run on EU data centers o…
Eden AI is a solid product and it’s good that there are alternatives to OpenRouter out there. We don’t brand ourselves as such, but if you’re looking for a European OpenRouter alternative focusing on media models (image, video etc.), I‘ve built that with https://lumenfall.ai
- no zero data retention available for the router itself (rights to retain data flagged by content scanning).
- no stated privacy policies for the providers served on the api. quote: "we work with providers to understand their policies and can provide information about specific providers on request".
on openrouter, on the positive side, they have transparent retention agreements for almost all providers, and also offer zdr.
i wish there will be a time where privacy is for everyone, not just for people who can afford an enterprise sla
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But OpenRouter also costs 5.5%: https://openrouter.ai/pricing
And? The point is that it's routed to the same model. Is the middleman's nationality that important, especially when you already accept the existence of a middleman?
Yes, that's why I switched
Under what circumstances would one pay a 5.5% premium so that an EU-built (but not EU hosted) routing layer could proxy to US/chinese model providers?
But the most important advantage is the convenience of being able to try out new models without subscribing to yet another service.
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OpenRouter is far more than a simple proxy.
How so? I haven’t tried it, I stick to one provider for my projects.
Such initiatives are very much welcome and I am happy to to start using them. However, my issue is that it appears that many of these models are simply proxied from the specific cloud provider with fees attached which does not bring a lot of value given the 5% surcharge. Since all frontier models are owned by US companies, I think better alternative is to focus on open source models only that run on EU data centers o…
"allegedly"
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It's not a German website, so it doesn't need an imprint
German websites are not the only ones where having an imprint is required, if the website is run by a legal business. AFAIK, it's the same in France (called "mentions légales" apparently), Austria, Switzerland and probably some more too. Not sure why you'd sound so confident and not qualifying it somehow when it seems you don't actually know what you're talking about, and it's so easy to lookup before spewing wrong i…
So 100% with you here...