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Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Re: Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Post by embedding-shape »

mft_ wrote: post #11
neya wrote: post #4

So, there is 0 differentiation from this and OpenRouter. The only difference is just that it is European in name only, but underlying services are not. And the pricing also isn't any cheaper. So, why would I spend my development hours switching to this than just stay on OpenRouter? Just because it's an "EU" alternative? The webpage doesn't even comply with basic GDPR requirements. Sigh.

Indeed; a "European" router serving mostly US models is (deliberately?) missing the point.

If you think a routing service based in one country should only use the models from that country, I think you may be the one who is missing the entire point of a routing service in the first place.

Re: Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Post by vidarh »

raincole wrote: post #25
rolandm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But OpenRouter also costs 5.5%: https://openrouter.ai/pricing

And? The point is that it's routed to the same model. Is the middleman's nationality that important, especially when you already accept the existence of a middleman?

So important that you'd switch to another middleman at no additional cost over the middleman you're already using?

Probably for quite a few people.

Re: Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Post by embedding-shape »

ascorbic wrote: post #15
reneberlin wrote: post #2

This website doesn't even comply with general basic standards for imprint and responsible persons and firms behind it. So if i proxy this misbehaviour to the rest of the whole: european answer-claim ... and the nameservers are on cloudflare. goodbye.

It's not a German website, so it doesn't need an imprint

German websites are not the only ones where having an imprint is required, if the website is run by a legal business. AFAIK, it's the same in France (called "mentions légales" apparently), Austria, Switzerland and probably some more too.

Not sure why you'd sound so confident and not qualifying it somehow when it seems you don't actually know what you're talking about, and it's so easy to lookup before spewing wrong information.

Re: Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Post by vidarh »

alexmercerdev wrote: post #20
swiftcoder wrote: post #16

Under what circumstances would one pay a 5.5% premium so that an EU-built (but not EU hosted) routing layer could proxy to US/chinese model providers?

Practically, I think the premium only makes sense if the routing layer gives you something operational: one contract/invoice, EU support/legal process, spend caps, audit logs, maybe provider fallback. If it's just a pass-through to the same US/China model endpoints with +5.5%, I don't see much reason for devs to switch on price or sovereignty grounds.

I haven't looked at whether Eden does this, but Openrouter provides a number of these, and more. I go direct to the major providers, and use OpenRouter for the smaller ones because it saves me a lot of hassle.

If Eden provides a similar feature set, I'd certainly consider them.

Re: Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Post by jeroenhd »

WhatsName wrote: post #29

So it is, as required by law, compliant with the EU AI Act and GDPR? That would be an actual moat, otherwise most companies will probably not see the point. Why pay a EU middleman to non-EU services.

I think there are plenty of business cases where finance departments will rubber stamp European companies much easier than American ones, even if they do the same thing.

I don't think that's the case with this particular company. It's not clear who's running the show, it's not clear if they abide by any of the EU regulations, and their lack of proper documentation probably makes them more of a liability than an asset. Plus, for any of it to hold water, you'd need to set up all kinds of paperwork with the people providing the compute if you don't want to be just as impractical a partner as the American competitors.

The business model is still sound.

Re: Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Post by mgw »

Eden AI is a solid product and it’s good that there are alternatives to OpenRouter out there.

We don’t brand ourselves as such, but if you’re looking for a European OpenRouter alternative focusing on media models (image, video etc.), I‘ve built that with https://lumenfall.ai

Re: Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter

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Post by muzzy19 »

mgw wrote: post #37

Eden AI is a solid product and it’s good that there are alternatives to OpenRouter out there. We don’t brand ourselves as such, but if you’re looking for a European OpenRouter alternative focusing on media models (image, video etc.), I‘ve built that with https://lumenfall.ai

> You pay providers directly. We charge nothing extra.

How is it sustainable?

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