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Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by bogdan »

ambicapter wrote: post #38
tasoeur wrote: post #9

I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…

> Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free As opposed to what? trashing it? You'd rather throw your iPhone in the trash than just hand it to them when you're in the store already?

Excuse my ignorance, I have always been an Android user, but are iPhones not resalable?

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by [deleted] »

neya wrote: post #15
latexr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts ser…

I'm confused. In the link you shared: iPhone Air - 7/10 (Provisional) iPhone 17 Pro - 7/10 (Provisional) Fairphone 6 - 10/10 HMD Fusion/Skyline - 9/10 > But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. Isn't that what the scores above tell (which I brought up in my original comment)? Plus, this is only for their smartphone line up. What about their headphones and other products? Airpods Pro Max is a 6/10, for exampl…

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Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by changoplatanero »

tasoeur wrote: post #9

I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…

You know the reason why you get five cents back for a recycling a glass bottle, right? It’s because the government taxed you when you bought the drink and now you’re getting the tax rebate for recycling It’s not related to the value of the materials.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by dangus »

shuntress wrote: post #31
dangus wrote: post #26

Framework is the industry benchmark. To me, anyone doing anything less than full modularity doesn’t actually care about e-waste. Framework has proven that it is possible to make a great machine that is modular as well as forward and backward compatible, and they’ve done it with a comparatively tiny group of employees. Same deal with Fairphone. Apple can brag about sustainability the day they ship a phone, wireless ea…

Phone screens dont need to be user-swappable but apple should be forced to sell each module (screen, frame, camera board, main board, etc).

Just the battery would be a great start.

For a laptop, nearly everything should be modular.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by jonhohle »

bombcar wrote: post #21
tasoeur wrote: post #9

I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…

Since they offer the EDU discount they might as well offer a blanket “it boots get $100 off” deal for returned machines. Though the cost of responsibly recycle and dispose of an old computer might make the $0 offer actually a decent one.

If they’re recycling it, what does it matter if it boots? The aluminum is worth nothing? I’m sure there’s bits of gold and other things.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by benoau »

tasoeur wrote: post #9

I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…

It's all just marketing fluff, their 2030 goal is carbon neutrality but their gross emissions are 15 million tons a year and they only offset 70 thousand. They'd probably achieve more just by putting HDMI, DisplayPort and Target Display Mode into their monitors and iMacs.

https://images.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental...

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by latexr »

sanitycheck wrote: post #37
latexr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't replace the battery yourself Not true at all. I have a close friend (not an electronics or programming nerd in any way) which has replaced the battery (and a screen) on multiple iPhones with nothing more than iFixit instructions. > you can't safely expand their life Again, not true. See above. > with so many untaped opportunities. Which is obvious I agree with, since I said they absolutely should be bette…

They didn't say "nobody can replace the battery themselves", and "you" here was probably intended to mean "a normal consumer". Relative to items with replaceable batteries (a TV remote control, a camera, a pre-iPhone mobile phone), the batteries are extremely hard to replace. The batteries are also not safe to replace, relative to items with replaceable batteries. There is a very low chance of me accidentally damagin…

> and "you" here was probably intended to mean "a normal consumer".

Which is why I used a normal consumer as an example.

> None of the information you're responding to is false, and it's perhaps worth asking yourself why you're here defending Apple.

I’m not defending Apple, I’m defending accuracy. When someone says something inaccurate about someone or something I oppose, I try to correct that too. It’s important that arguments are based on truth, because when they are not people start dismissing the true with the false.

My comment history shows I’m an Apple user but am constantly criticising its current state and Tim Cook. You’ll find more comments of mine criticising than praising them.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Perhaps it’s worth asking yourself why you see someone making an argument once and immediately assume they may have ulterior motives, and why you’re actively ignoring the arguments which do not feed your view, including my clear and repeated assertions in the thread that Apple should absolutely do better.

> There's an easier argument that is simply "But Samsung!".

Which was not once my argument. I abhor whataboutism.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I’d appreciate if you didn’t straw man.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by hnhg »

bzzzt wrote: post #33
Tade0 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. Apple pioneered some huge anti-repairability measures like e.g. soldered-in RAM. Wasn't always that way though. I recall repairing a late 2011 MBP, so contemporary to the first soldered MBAs. Really easy to work on, with the battery held in place with just two triangular screws. That was four years ago and the user is still using it.

I consider soldered-in RAM a reliability win. It's more shock resistant and a connector that doesn't exist can not fail.

Was that ever an issue for you?

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by jasonpbecker »

bogdan wrote: post #41
ambicapter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free As opposed to what? trashing it? You'd rather throw your iPhone in the trash than just hand it to them when you're in the store already?

Excuse my ignorance, I have always been an Android user, but are iPhones not resalable?

Of course they are, and the order "reduce, reuse, recycle" are in that order for a reason-- reuse (via resale) is superior to recycling the product itself.

Re: Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials

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Post by sksksk »

alexandrehtrb wrote: post #19

How about stop making planned obsolence products? How about not charging outrageous prices when their computers need repair?

In my experience, Apple phones are pretty good at not being obsolete.

I gave my old iPhone X to my father who's still using it, 9 years later, with software updates to iOS.

Compare that to the Google Pixel 2 (which came out in the same year), got it's last software update 3 years later.

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