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Re: Ads in ChatGPT

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Post by pixel_popping »

baggachipz wrote: post #14
gruez wrote: post #3

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>Also, ads don't affect chat content but of course chat content affects ads, which is the whole point. Given that Anthropic's superbowl ad implied otherwise, I think it's a fair distinction to call about. Not to mention basically every advertising network uses context in their ads. Given the choice between ads and no ads, I'd obviously want no ads, but just like google, you need to pay the bills somehow, and not ever…

I'm curious when OpenAI will be able to start paying the bills. Because I can't think of any amount of ads which will dig them out of their hole.

They don't really need to tho, they can actually keep raising money for a decade.

Re: Ads in ChatGPT

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

neves wrote: post #34
gruez wrote: post #13

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>just like Netflix. Eventually, we will have to pay a lot of money and still have ads too. This doesn't match reality. The "standard with ads" plan is $8.99 today, a dollar more than the ad-free "streaming only" plan launched in 2011. However factoring in inflation, the ad-free plan from 2011 would cost $11.74 today, which means the ad supported plan is still cheaper, even ignoring the price hikes.

Tell "doesn't match reality" to cable television. All channels ended having ads. This is Capitalism in a American society that is looking more of a plutocracy than a democracy.

Please for the love of all that is holy stop with the completely false outdated meme that “at one point cable didn’t have ads”

Cable was first introduced as a means to get over the air channels for remote places that couldn’t get a signal to get network tv. These channels always had ads.

Then came the “Superstations”. They were local independent ad supported channels like TBS in Atlanta and WGN in Chicago that went national. They always had ads.

Then the early cable channels like ESPN, the precursor to Lifetime, CNN etc and they always had ads. The other early cable channels were trying to sell ads to advertisers from day one but they didn’t have enough viewers.

Yes channels that you paid extra for like HBO didn’t have ads and still don’t.

Re: Ads in ChatGPT

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Post by gruez »

cryptonym wrote: post #40
gruez wrote: post #37

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>By your inflation-factoring-logic a fair regular plan should cost less than $12 and ad plan should be about $6. $9 is +50% You're misunderstanding my comment. I'm not arguing that price hikes haven't occurred. In fact I specifically acknowledged them. I'm only making the narrow argument that despite implications to the contrary, the ad supported plan today is cheaper than the paid plans. In other words the implicati…

They didn't say "we're paying more and still have ads". They said they would have to pay a lot to still get ads. Maybe it's not your reality, you consider $110 a year for netflix with ads as cheap. It might be different for someone else.

>you consider $110 a year for netflix with ads as cheap

I mean, if you're so fervently against ads to the extent that paying a single cent is "a lot", then I suppose it's true, but it's highly subjective. By most reasonable comparisons (ie. ads vs non-ad price today, ads vs historical ad price), it's not "a lot".

Re: Ads in ChatGPT

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Post by baggachipz »

pixel_popping wrote: post #41
baggachipz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious when OpenAI will be able to start paying the bills. Because I can't think of any amount of ads which will dig them out of their hole.

They don't really need to tho, they can actually keep raising money for a decade.

Then why run ads?

Re: Ads in ChatGPT

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Post by exolymph »

lgl wrote: post #36

Google Before: “Advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased toward the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers.” After: ~75–80%+ of revenue comes from ads Facebook Before: “Facebook is not about making money… it’s about building something cool.”, “We don’t build services to make money; we make money to build better services.” After: ~97%+ of revenue comes from advertising Twitter Before:…

Even Amazon has substantial ad revenue now, and it does in fact undercut customer obsession by polluting search results.

Re: Ads in ChatGPT

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Post by queenkjuul »

gruez wrote: post #44
cryptonym wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't say "we're paying more and still have ads". They said they would have to pay a lot to still get ads. Maybe it's not your reality, you consider $110 a year for netflix with ads as cheap. It might be different for someone else.

>you consider $110 a year for netflix with ads as cheap I mean, if you're so fervently against ads to the extent that paying a single cent is "a lot", then I suppose it's true, but it's highly subjective. By most reasonable comparisons (ie. ads vs non-ad price today, ads vs historical ad price), it's not "a lot".

It's "a lot" more than I've ever remotely considered paying to be advertised to, I'll say that

Re: Ads in ChatGPT

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

gruez wrote: post #35
52-6F-62 wrote: post #32

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The newspaper ads looking to capture my escaped ancestors who stole some shoes and ran away from their indenturement for Canada. https://www.masshist.org/beehiveblog/2013/05/advertising-in-... If you are looking for one canonical, authoritative source to declare something absolutely for you, you will never find it. No such thing exists for any matter. That is a myth of the internet and people raised on it.

>If you are looking for one canonical, authoritative source to declare something absolutely for you, you will never find it Even if we treat your source as canonical and authoritative, , it doesn't answer the question I was asking. It only answers a slightly different question of "what was the first instance of a paid advertisement in an American newspaper ?", which obviously is going to be American. >But did you kno…

I don't owe you anything here.
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