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US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by juancn »

hagbard_c wrote: post #24
juancn wrote: post #15

The Chinese YKJ-1000 is reported to cost $99000 per unit, is hypersonic and has a range of ~1300 KM. It's looking like the US needs some disruption on their armament suppliers, kinda what SpaceX did for space launches. Compare that to the 1.5M each of the JASSM cost.

Thus far Chinese weaponry has not shown to be as effective as promised. Maybe this YKJ-1000 is the exception, maybe it is not. Maybe exported versions of the weaponry have been crippled in some way, maybe not. The future will tell. The future, also, which I expect to bring down the price of western weaponry, probably not as low as the Chinese equivalents but closer to those than to those demanded by the old defence d…

Even if that's the case, it may be possible to make it up in sheer numbers. That's a 15 to 1 ratio. You can throw 15 missiles for the same price than 1.

Even if they're 10% effective compared to the expensive ones, you may still have the advantage.

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Post by selivanovp »

troyvit wrote: post #40
nprz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the infamous Russia lobby who spends lavishly on virtually every sitting congress member's campaign[0]. The Russian oligarchs who donated 100 million on Trump's reelection[1]. It's all so obvious. [0] https://www.trackaipac.com/congress [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/us/politics/miriam-adelso...

There's ways to influence useful idiots besides lobbying.

Yeah, like pretending that they don’t see an elephant in the room, but Putin in every shadow.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by recursivedoubts »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #20
recursivedoubts wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't think this has much to do with the elderly

It certainly does. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/age-generati... > About two-thirds of voters ages 18 to 24 (66%) associate with the Democratic Party, compared with 34% who align with the GOP. > About six-in-ten voters 80 and older (58%) identify with or lean toward the GOP, while 39% associate with the Democratic Party. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-vote-and-ho... > How does voti…

Older voters didn't vote for war with Iran. Some will go along with the president for tribal reasons and what's left of american patriotism.

Defining things generationally is unnecessarily divisive: the people who have been relentlessly pushing for war with iran have names and addresses and have been doing so for 30 years.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by hagbard_c »

juancn wrote: post #41
hagbard_c wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus far Chinese weaponry has not shown to be as effective as promised. Maybe this YKJ-1000 is the exception, maybe it is not. Maybe exported versions of the weaponry have been crippled in some way, maybe not. The future will tell. The future, also, which I expect to bring down the price of western weaponry, probably not as low as the Chinese equivalents but closer to those than to those demanded by the old defence d…

Even if that's the case, it may be possible to make it up in sheer numbers. That's a 15 to 1 ratio. You can throw 15 missiles for the same price than 1. Even if they're 10% effective compared to the expensive ones, you may still have the advantage.

You need to be able to launch those missiles which requires some platform to do so. If this happens to be a ground-based platform is will be detected directly upon launch of the first missile and targeted for destruction. It better be an agile mobile platform like e.g. the Archer artillery system or it will probably not launch more than a single missile. If the platform is airborne it will have a limited carrying capability which partly negates the mentioned 15 to 1 ratio.

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Post by halJordan »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #44
CharlieDigital wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly does. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/age-generati... > About two-thirds of voters ages 18 to 24 (66%) associate with the Democratic Party, compared with 34% who align with the GOP. > About six-in-ten voters 80 and older (58%) identify with or lean toward the GOP, while 39% associate with the Democratic Party. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-vote-and-ho... > How does voti…

Older voters didn't vote for war with Iran. Some will go along with the president for tribal reasons and what's left of american patriotism. Defining things generationally is unnecessarily divisive: the people who have been relentlessly pushing for war with iran have names and addresses and have been doing so for 30 years.

I don't think you can not address it "generationally" The people who voted are absolutely getting what they voted for. None of this was not predicted before and during the election. I remember reading years ago that Trump wanted his second term to do the wanton things he couldn't before (like bludgeoning countries with the military). It was all out there.

It's past time to stop blaming a few warhawks "over there" Voters did this. Voters need to fix it

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by halJordan »

gosub100 wrote: post #33
CharlieDigital wrote: post #5

> If Lockheed dedicates the entire Troy, Alabama line exclusively to JASSM-ER and produces zero LRASM anti-ship missiles, the maximum rate is 860 per year. That drops the timeline to 2.2 years, but it means the Navy gets zero of the anti-ship missiles it would need for a Taiwan contingency. China wins by literally doing nothing. US losing on manufacturing, automobiles, renewables, human talent, global good will, etc.

We're not at war with China.

Now you say that and it's an interesting assertion. The Chinese certainly will tell you that they are in a war. And will also say that America is in a war.

Americans a few years ago defined a "continuum of conflict" consisting of competition, crisis, and conflict (sometimes you see cooperation). America will tell you that we are in competition with China, which is a type of conflict.

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Post by recursivedoubts »

halJordan wrote: post #46
recursivedoubts wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Older voters didn't vote for war with Iran. Some will go along with the president for tribal reasons and what's left of american patriotism. Defining things generationally is unnecessarily divisive: the people who have been relentlessly pushing for war with iran have names and addresses and have been doing so for 30 years.

I don't think you can not address it "generationally" The people who voted are absolutely getting what they voted for. None of this was not predicted before and during the election. I remember reading years ago that Trump wanted his second term to do the wanton things he couldn't before (like bludgeoning countries with the military). It was all out there. It's past time to stop blaming a few warhawks "over there" Vot…

Trump ran on ending the war in ukraine in "a week" and never said anything about war with iran during his campaign.

The voters didn't and don't do shit: elites pick the two candidates, pay them both a bunch of money, buy congress and push through what they want. If Kamala were elected we'd be at war with iran just the same.

Stop blaming normies who have no power for what PNAC, etc have been pushing for for decades with real money.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by wildzzz »

jerlam wrote: post #21
wildzzz wrote: post #16

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They'd just add a zero to the quantity to be delivered instead.

Drones are bullets, not delivery systems like aircraft carriers and machine guns. The US military already deploys a copy of the Iranian Shahed drone. They aren't $400 but the Shahed isn't that cheap either.

I would argue that drones are at least one level higher than a bullet, maybe something like a Carl Gustav round.
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