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Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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IC is a strange relabeling of a "worker". When you analyze this as "Management loves AI" and "workers hate it" goes completely back to 'who owns the means of production?', and can be clearly seen within Marx's critique.

Ic differentiates a lot of more then worker and not worker. Middle management and even a level or two above aren't anything special.

Ic can refer to people leading, without direct reports, making 500k+ in comp.

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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You must be living in a different universe if you think ICs aren't enamored by AI. Every developer I know basically can't operate now without Claude Code (or equivalent).

I hope that’s exaggeration because being unable to operate without it means you’re going to do a terrible job of reviewing the code it’s producing.

Since the November/December Opus and Claude Code, I found I don't need to read the code any more. Architecture overview sure, and testing yes, but not reading the code directly any more.

Me (and my friends similarly) inspect code indirectly now - telling agents to write reports about certain aspects of the code and architecture etc.

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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As someone who's both an IC and leads other developers I disagree with the explanation. As a technical lead, with people I can much better predict the quality of the outcome than with LLMs, and the "failure modes" are much more manageable. As a programmer, I am actually more impressed with AI agents but in an informed and qualified way. Their debugging ability wows me; their coding ability disappoints and frustrates…

And one executive talks to other executives not to their engineers. I think this is more peer pressure than anything else.

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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You must be living in a different universe if you think ICs aren't enamored by AI. Every developer I know basically can't operate now without Claude Code (or equivalent).

What do you work on?

I find people tend to omit that on HN and folks dealing with different roles end up yelling at each other because those details are missing. Being an embedded sw engineer writing straight C/ASM is, for instance, quite different from being a frontend engineer. AI will perform quite differently in each case.

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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People who will get paid more if AI eliminates jobs (in theory, anyway — execs aren't necessarily owners) versus people whose jobs will be eliminated.

The funny thing is that AI can probably replace the exec’s job before it can replace a devs job.

What do you think the exec job is? What do they do every day, every working hour? And how will AI replace that?

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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They don’t have to use the tech, except maybe superficially. They are either being explicitly mislead by salespeople or like others have mentioned, it simply is a vehicle to confirm their own biases or annoyance at having to pay peons. It’s up to the grunts to actually make this work.

It’s like Marc Andressen bloviating about how AI will replace everyone except him.

To be fair, some of this is understandable. At some level, you’re just going to see some things as a bullet point in a daily/monthly/quarterly report and possibly a 10 minute presentation. You’re implicitly assuming that the folks under you have condensed this information into something meaningful.

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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IC here enamored with LLM - my implementation speed used to be a bottleneck of what I can do both professionally and personally, and now only thoughts and idea are the limit. That is incredibly exciting.

Thoughts and idea as in "I will implement this in this structure, with these tradeoff, and it will work with these 4 APIs and have no extra features and here's how I'm (or LLM with tools is) going to run it and test it".

Thoughts and idea not as in "build facebook" - a lot of people think AI can do that, it won't (but might pretend to) and it will just lead to failure.

My competitive edge did not diminish, it expanded.

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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- You need something done

- You ask someone to do it

- You check their work and they made some mistakes, but it's good enough to use

- You ultimately don't know if they're doing the best at their job but you have regular performance check-ins to be safe

As ICs we can complain all we want about the quality of AI, but as far as your manager goes - you using AI is not that much different to them having an employee.

Re: Why are executives enamored with AI, but ICs aren't?

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People who will get paid more if AI eliminates jobs (in theory, anyway — execs aren't necessarily owners) versus people whose jobs will be eliminated.

No, execs aren't owners, but... if an exec can deliver the same or better results with fewer employees, aren't they a better exec? And if so, aren't they worth more money? (Yeah, I know, there's lots of instances of execs who got paid huge amounts of money and delivered abysmal results...)

Not really, not unless you're C-suite or your org size is in the thousands. When Google's looking for a VP to run a 100 person department, they care about your experience running similarly sized orgs as much as they care about your ability to achieve business results. People make fun of empire building but it's absolutely rational on the individual level.
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