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Once liberated this economy is going to roar
However, if Iran was able to operate as a free economy, it would easily be the size of Germany, if not larger.
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Except what you are saying doesn’t really make sense and is implicitly sexist. You are assuming women in those countries don’t enjoy studying these subjects. Also, to pursue a hard STEM degree or phd would detract from being a housewife, so no “oppressive” husband would allow that in the first place. Ergo the women pursuing these paths are not oppressed in the first place.
> You are assuming women in those countries don’t enjoy studying these subjects. It does not assume that. Even with equal enjoyment of multiple subjects, there's a lot of other factors that affect what you study. And you can enjoy subjects that aren't your favorite. > Also, to pursue a hard STEM degree or phd would detract from being a housewife, so no “oppressive” husband would allow that in the first place. Ergo th…
The percent of women being married is irrelevant. Women can be oppressed even if they are not married due to societal expectations. If a single woman is expected not to pursue education and simply become a housewife, then it’s irrelevant whether she is married or not. She is oppressed. However, that is literally a contradiction because STEM education shows high representation of women in Iran.
Honestly there are a lot of people here asserting what they think are facts who don’t have the slightest idea how the world works outside their own city, let alone country. I would encourage some critical thinking when it comes to stuff like this.
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Its damned if you do, damned if you don't as long as Israel effectively dominates USA middle east policy. If they negotiate, the deal gets torn up at best, or they get attacked during negotiations at worst. If they maintain any sort of self-defense capability, that's seen as a threat to Israel. If they shoot back after we bomb 150 schoolgirls, they're the aggressor.
> damned if you do, damned if you don't as long as Israel effectively dominates USA middle east policy Sort of. Israel is the Middle East's regional hegemon. And America is a superpower. Picking both as national enemies was and remains a strategic blunder. > If they negotiate, the deal gets torn up at best, or they get attacked during negotiations at worst Again, the deal getting torn up is sad. But it's within the c…
Would you do this for Ukraine also? Maybe they should have pre-emptively submitted and disarmed to prevent war?
>Data showing Iranian women outperforming American women in STEM by a factor of nearly three doesn’t support that case, so it doesn’t get reported. I thought the standard explanation for this was that in patriarchal societies women get "hard" degrees because that's their only way out of being oppressed as a housewife, and in more egalitarian societies women pursue what they like?
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> You are assuming women in those countries don’t enjoy studying these subjects. It does not assume that. Even with equal enjoyment of multiple subjects, there's a lot of other factors that affect what you study. And you can enjoy subjects that aren't your favorite. > Also, to pursue a hard STEM degree or phd would detract from being a housewife, so no “oppressive” husband would allow that in the first place. Ergo th…
It absolutely does assume that. There is an implicit assumption in their argument that women are doing something they don’t want to due to “oppression”. The percent of women being married is irrelevant. Women can be oppressed even if they are not married due to societal expectations. If a single woman is expected not to pursue education and simply become a housewife, then it’s irrelevant whether she is married or not…
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Learning that in Iran jurisprudence is limited for women, I agree on Iran. But will nitpick on Russia. What do you think is denied for women in Russia that is not denied in US/EU?
Russia decriminalized domestic violence in 2017.
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That was my thought as well, but all I know is hearsay. It doesn't have to be one or the other, either. Whether women excel in science and medicine is not the sole indicator of their status in society.
But it is one objective indicator in the right direction.
The west only accepts Iranian women with degrees (same for men, same for any other place for that matter, if they accept anyone at all, and for obvious reasons Russia is out, especially for men)
In other words, yes, the islamic revolution is making women smarter. Men too, but not to the same degree. But in the worst way possible. By putting a gun to their head and torturing them non-stop, then effectively letting the smartest 5% out.
Yes regime apologists want to call that "making women smarter" because "torturing women", what islam actually does, sounds ... unlikely to gather support for stopping the war and it's not like they care about these women.
I do Remember Iranian ranking high in the IQ
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It absolutely does assume that. There is an implicit assumption in their argument that women are doing something they don’t want to due to “oppression”. The percent of women being married is irrelevant. Women can be oppressed even if they are not married due to societal expectations. If a single woman is expected not to pursue education and simply become a housewife, then it’s irrelevant whether she is married or not…
I have an anecdata where it was true: Angela Merkel. She studied physics not because it was her favorite but because in the system that she lived (GDR) it made more sense than social studies or politics.
The OP is suggesting women are becoming highly educated in technically difficult fields due to oppression. It makes literally no sense. Either they are oppressed and cannot get ahead, or maybe they are able to freely pursue education contradicting the original assertion.