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Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by wanderlust123 »

gruez wrote: post #5

>Data showing Iranian women outperforming American women in STEM by a factor of nearly three doesn’t support that case, so it doesn’t get reported. I thought the standard explanation for this was that in patriarchal societies women get "hard" degrees because that's their only way out of being oppressed as a housewife, and in more egalitarian societies women pursue what they like?

Except what you are saying doesn’t really make sense and is implicitly sexist. You are assuming women in those countries don’t enjoy studying these subjects.

Also, to pursue a hard STEM degree or phd would detract from being a housewife, so no “oppressive” husband would allow that in the first place. Ergo the women pursuing these paths are not oppressed in the first place.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by onecommentman »

MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #9
gruez wrote: post #5

>Data showing Iranian women outperforming American women in STEM by a factor of nearly three doesn’t support that case, so it doesn’t get reported. I thought the standard explanation for this was that in patriarchal societies women get "hard" degrees because that's their only way out of being oppressed as a housewife, and in more egalitarian societies women pursue what they like?

That was my thought as well, but all I know is hearsay. It doesn't have to be one or the other, either. Whether women excel in science and medicine is not the sole indicator of their status in society.

But it is one objective indicator in the right direction.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by lmz »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #19
kulahan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think the US has an interest in either Iran OR Iraq being dominant in the region without, at BEST, being completely subservient to the US, you may want to review how you think this will turn out.

What he said and what you say do not contradict each other. Iran can be a puppet of the USA and have a great economy as well.

See also: Japan or South Korea.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by lurkercodemnky »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #18
lurkercodemnky wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> maybe you shouldn't be lecturing "patriarchal backward societies"? It's perfectly fair to criticize modern Iran. Particularly when it comes to mis-allocating its skilled population and history. Look at it from the perspective of fitness: if Iran had let these women study and work freely, and had invested its resources in growing its economy instead of a dud of a nuclear programme, might it–not Israel–be the region'…

> Number of scientists and engineers per capital is directly propotional to GDP per capital [1].

I meant the fraction. Do you have a plot of number of college gradutates on the same axes? I am sure it will be a steeper line.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by lurkercodemnky »

echelon wrote: post #15
lurkercodemnky wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Can't people decide for themselves what matters? Life is a short few trips around the sun, then eternal annihilation. If you really want to ascribe "value" to it: prosperity tends to create chill attitudes. You see this in individuals (nepotism) and in societies. It's just evolutionary economics: genes, ideas, species spend in times of plenty, save in times of drought.

Is that the excuse for the life of online dating apps and only fans? You're destroying the society which your "conservative" "backward" forefathers built.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by tokai »

lostmsu wrote: post #11
7e wrote: post #8

This is a pro-Communist, anti-Israel propaganda site which publishes articles such as, “Report: North Korea Is Now Beating America in Healthcare, Education, Housing, and Transportation” etc. For the record, it’s often the case that women to into STEM in countries like Iran and Russia because they are denied opportunity elsewhere.

Learning that in Iran jurisprudence is limited for women, I agree on Iran. But will nitpick on Russia. What do you think is denied for women in Russia that is not denied in US/EU?

Russia decriminalized domestic violence in 2017.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by hollerith »

tokai wrote: post #26
lostmsu wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Learning that in Iran jurisprudence is limited for women, I agree on Iran. But will nitpick on Russia. What do you think is denied for women in Russia that is not denied in US/EU?

Russia decriminalized domestic violence in 2017.

An unreliable source of fast answers says that in February 2017, legislation was signed that downgraded first-time domestic violence offenses that do not cause serious bodily harm--defined as injuries requiring hospital treatment or causing a loss of ability to work--from a criminal offense to an administrative violation.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lurkercodemnky wrote: post #24
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe you shouldn't be lecturing "patriarchal backward societies"? It's perfectly fair to criticize modern Iran. Particularly when it comes to mis-allocating its skilled population and history. Look at it from the perspective of fitness: if Iran had let these women study and work freely, and had invested its resources in growing its economy instead of a dud of a nuclear programme, might it–not Israel–be the region'…

> Number of scientists and engineers per capital is directly propotional to GDP per capital [1]. I meant the fraction. Do you have a plot of number of college gradutates on the same axes? I am sure it will be a steeper line.

> meant the fraction

Decent hypothesis, but not substantiated.

In 2020 the fraction of graduates who were STEM in China was 41%, Russia 37%, Germany 36%, Iran 33%, India 30%, and France 26% [1]. If we take the eleven countries in that article's GDP per capita, we find no statistically-significant relationship.

[1] https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/the-global-distribution-...

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by VerifiedReports »

7e wrote: post #8

This is a pro-Communist, anti-Israel propaganda site which publishes articles such as, “Report: North Korea Is Now Beating America in Healthcare, Education, Housing, and Transportation” etc. For the record, it’s often the case that women to into STEM in countries like Iran and Russia because they are denied opportunity elsewhere.

That title is neither pro-Communist nor anti-Israel. What are you on about?

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by firen777 »

Detrytus wrote: post #20
7e wrote: post #8

This is a pro-Communist, anti-Israel propaganda site which publishes articles such as, “Report: North Korea Is Now Beating America in Healthcare, Education, Housing, and Transportation” etc. For the record, it’s often the case that women to into STEM in countries like Iran and Russia because they are denied opportunity elsewhere.

Well, to be honest most countries in the world beat America in healthcare and transportation, and to lesser degree in education and housing. US are a third world country with big army, that’s it.

> most countries in the world

Can you provide actual statistic to support this claim instead of just saying hip anti-America rhetoric to sound cool?

There are a lot of legitimate criticisms regarding the US infrastructure. I'd even agree with a "most WEIRD countries in the world beat America..." take. But to omit the numerous less privileged countries, or even the less privileged majority part of supposedly powerful countries in order to clown on the US does not sit right with me.

North Korea is absolutely not one of them and you would know if you read even a slight bit about the stories from the defectors, or corroborate their stories with stories from Chinese merchants shipping supplies to North Korea and their interactions with North Korean soldiers.

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