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Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by iamnothere »

gigel82 wrote: post #22

It's clear these "age verification" bills will just keep coming and it's a losing battle to try and oppose each individually. Instead (or rather in addition to) activism we should go at it from the other end and request the introduction of a verifiably independent authority and zero knowledge protocol that will deliver a cryptographically secure boolean bit (isOver18) with no way to correlate from either end the ID o…

I would propose a variant of RFC 3514, where adult-related packets have a specified bit in the IP header. Simpler and you can filter it at the firewall.

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Post by advisedwang »

drakythe wrote: post #30
advisedwang wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. I originally thought this would just be content categories. Maybe that's all that's plausible.

All the people with money would lobby against content categories because then large mixed category sites like Reddit or Twitter would have to either separate their app, or have the ability to send additional content headers based on content tags per piece of content. Legally, since pornography still doesn't have a true definition in the US, someone would have to define the categories as well, and then the hundred mil…

I've seen numerous apps that do already provide content categories without separating apps. NSFW/SFW is the most common, but I've also seen ones that allow you to opt-out of gambling or alcohol ads.

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Post by _aavaa_ »

munk-a wrote: post #20
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

The problem is that we'd all blocklist advertisers and then they'd all cry. It's like how most mobile distros don't allow you to control relative app volume - if it might hurt ad bucks it can't be allowed.

This isn’t even a hypothetical. On most phone there’s no toggle to completely block an app’s internet access (only its data usage).

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by iamnothere »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #42
agentifysh wrote: post #40

Curious, what is driving this "you need permission to use the internet" bills suddenly ? Really miss the old internet.

It's right wing censorship plain and simple. Unfashionable to state this.

While this particular bill is all R sponsors, current censorship efforts are bipartisan inside the US and even international in scope. The one ray of hope is that left and right can’t agree on what should be censored or how, or even what constitutes “censorship.”

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by dietr1ch »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #36
munk-a wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that we'd all blocklist advertisers and then they'd all cry. It's like how most mobile distros don't allow you to control relative app volume - if it might hurt ad bucks it can't be allowed.

The ad industry underwrites the consumer tech market. That's why you can buy a SmartTV for like 100 bucks (or whatever, I haven't bought a tv in like 10 years knock-on-wood ).

My plan to buy a TV is to get one that can be kept offline, or one that can be made able to stay offline through flashing or dismantling into its very core elements.

Dismantling it would probably ensure it's ugly af, but maybe if you try to go for one of those TV-in-a-frame things it might not look hideous.

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Post by JohnMakin »

t1234s wrote: post #17

This is a bait-and-switch that will be used to roll in an internet ID for all people. I believe this is why M$ is trying to force people to log in to their local machines with a microsoft account.

I have been terminally online since the age of 7 and this would probably make me shut everything down and go outside. Maybe that'd be good for society, but I suspect most people will just shrug and go along with it.

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Post by pluralmonad »

wasabi991011 wrote: post #24
mothballed wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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He was right to be acquitted, the cops were doing drive by shootings from unmarked vans (using non-lethal bullets but hard to tell when being shot at in the night).

There is no such thing as "non-lethal" bullets. A bean bag round can kill you. The riot control paraphernalia is less-lethal than traditional firearms.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by advisedwang »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #27
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

> Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist But then HN would still riot, because you would need to require all apps to be approved by a central authority (no unauthorized browsers) OR you need to lock down browser engines to those that respect the list somehow (maybe by killing JIT, limiting network connections). I've learned long ago, as have politicians, there is zero solution that m…

> But then HN would still riot, because you would need to require all apps to be approved by a central authority (no unauthorized browsers) OR you need to lock down browser engines to those that respect the list somehow (maybe by killing JIT, limiting network connections).

I don't think you need to do that. You can pass a law without creating a technical mechanism that automatically enforces the law. The law doesn't even need to be perfect.

So what if you can still patch a browser yourself. Kids can steal cigarettes but laws against selling cigarettes to kids are still broadly effective.

So what if its technically possible for a vendor to ship a violating browser. Go after violaters with the legal system, not with the OS.

So what if there's a foreign vendor with a violating browser out of the reach of the law. You'd still have made the ecosystem vastly better even if there's gaps and loopholes.

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