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Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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$46k for 470m page views.

That seems extremely expensive. What the heck?

Is he using Vercel Functions as well?

I think this is where some SPA + a few instances of a Node.js server + Redis would be much cheaper.

I'd say you can probably serve this much on $1k/month? It's simple content. It's not like it needs to do complex business logic in the backend.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it just serving static content and the content fitting in RAM? If so your laptop can serve it just fine even.

A laptop would have a hard time serve thousands of people hitting a single endpoint multiple times a day.

With a 2025 tech stack, yes. With a 2005 tech stack, no. Don't use any containers, no[/limited] server-side dynamic script languages, no microservices or anything like that.

Considering the content is essentially static, this is actually viable. Search functions might be a bit problematic, but that's a solvable problem.

Of course you pay with engineering skills and resources.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#44

How does this work from an accounting perspective? They write off a bad debt, but the actual loss is likely multiple orders of magnitude less. Do they only get to write off up to the actuals?

Yes, because accounts payable are valued at recognized revenue, and aren't being revalued at cost when written off.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it just serving static content and the content fitting in RAM? If so your laptop can serve it just fine even.

A laptop would have a hard time serve thousands of people hitting a single endpoint multiple times a day.

I think it’s more helpful to discuss this in requests per second.

I’d interpret “thousands of people hitting a single endpoint multiple times a day” as something like 10,000 people making ~5 requests per 24 hours. That’s 0.5 requests per second.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#47
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1) Covering the ~$50k hosting bill for Jmail on Vercel sounds generous, but a self-hosted VPS on Hetzner could serve the same purpose for ~€30/month, which is orders of magnitude cheaper and avoids vendor lock-in. 2) This comes as the CEO of Vercel, Guillermo Rauch, is already facing community backlash for publicly supporting Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, a move that’s led to boycotts and migrations off the platf…

Even before the Vercel CEO supporting a genocidal maniac. Vercel as a platform has been silently giving open source projects a "fuck you, pay me" when it comes to renewing benefits.

Have seen it happen to smaller projects and even pointed it out when Vercel took static sites down.

So they have always had a bad rep in my opinion.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it just serving static content and the content fitting in RAM? If so your laptop can serve it just fine even.

A laptop would have a hard time serve thousands of people hitting a single endpoint multiple times a day.

No it won't. This is static content we're talking about. The only thing limiting you is your network throughput and maybe disk IO (assuming it doesn't fit in a compressed RAM). Even for an "around the globe roundtrip" latency, we're still talking few hundred msec.

Some cloud products have distorted an entire generation of developers understanding of how services can scale.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

#49

How does this work from an accounting perspective? They write off a bad debt, but the actual loss is likely multiple orders of magnitude less. Do they only get to write off up to the actuals?

Alternatively, bill the costs under the PR department as a marketing campaign.

I suspect this sort of thing is some of the best marketing money can buy anyhow, so it's a bit of a no-brainer.

Re: Vercel's CEO offers to cover expenses of 'Jmail'

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post #12

1) Covering the ~$50k hosting bill for Jmail on Vercel sounds generous, but a self-hosted VPS on Hetzner could serve the same purpose for ~€30/month, which is orders of magnitude cheaper and avoids vendor lock-in. 2) This comes as the CEO of Vercel, Guillermo Rauch, is already facing community backlash for publicly supporting Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, a move that’s led to boycotts and migrations off the platf…

Do you really think a $30 hetzner host can sustain that level of traffic performantly? Don't get me wrong, I love hetzner, but I would be very surprised if the numbers work out there.

If it's mostly static, just cache it at the http level e.g. cloudflare which I believe wouldn't even charge for 450m requests on the $20 plan at least
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