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Reality is ~36-38% if you learn to spend money strategically so you can fill a proper tax return. I never paid 42% my entire engineer life.
OK that's an extra €20 a week, doesn't really change the point
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#42in question
> How much do AI tools improve your productivity at work?
there is no 0-10% range
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Whenever I read those reports I can't help but wonder who they are actually asking. I'm definitely in a bubble working in Munich and either for US subsidiaries or at least close to them (automotive, ai, robotics, aerospace and others) - but it's a pretty big bubble because it's easily thousands of engineers within one or two hops. And we all make north of 100k€! No-one with more than 5-10 years of experience would ac…
Want a bet? Loose your job right now and you wont see this 100k+ for a veryyyyy looooong time. People are taking cuts of 50% just to get any employment.
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Germans won't tell you how much they earn, ever. It keeps salaries down in all industries. These fucking Tarifvertraege have kept salaries from growing, too. The people would have pushed a long time ago but the truth is masked well enough. Those who don't believe the shit, earn more. It is sad and the change and progress happens elsewhere. Enjoy one or two decades of German companies looking like they still matter. N…
These numbers are far off reality. 80k€+ isn't a high salary for job in a Tarifunternehmen if you stay with it for 5+ years. Many of my colleagues cracked 100k€ this year without being AT and having crazy high position ratings.
> Many of my colleagues cracked 100k€ this year without being AT and having crazy high position ratings.
And for each of those guys there's 2 people working for 48k and happy about it. They've been at the same shop for 15 years, in a team of the only 3 people doing software in the entire company. Probably somewhere a bit rural, and/or north of Frankfurt.
IGM is not the default.
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#45i wonder what the stats look like with U.S companies in Germany. probably much higher, especially in areas like Berlin/Munich
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#46I don't trust these numbers for Germany. Why? Have a look at all the Tarifunternehmen salaries. 80k-90k€ is pretty much a standard salary you can reach after 5 years (with maybe changing your position once within the same company). Feels like their dataset has significant sampling gap in some very big industries here.
It doesn’t matter honestly, 65k versus 80k after 42% tax on the extra 15k is about 800 euros a month. Not qualitatively different.
€65k is $77k is £56k. Takehome is 61% Germany, 76% UK, 77% US
€80k is $94k is £69k. Takehome is 60% Germany, 73% UK, 75% US
If Germany taxed at US rates at €65k it would be an extra €867 a month, "Not qualitatively different"
When US IT jobs are on twice the salary ($150-200k or €130-160k) that's a hell of a lot bigger impact than the tax.
US https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator
UK https://listentotaxman.com/
Germany https://www.how-to-germany.com/income-tax-calculator/
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There are many tools available in Germany that support you doing your tax filings. They have endless questionnaires in (tax law free) easy language that guide you through all the taxing niches. They not only respect all rules regarding the laws but also the latest jurisprudence. Like: If you have a lockable, separate office and work (almost) exclusively from home, you can basically deduct the entire room for tax purp…
....but wait until Finanzamt comes along and measures the size and checks with a controller if this room is really ONLY for work - if there is the slightest sign that this room maybe used for other things, your plan is gone. Even an additional single sofa/couch can crush this plan. And: If you say the room is worth 500€, you dont get back this 500€ with yearly tax declaration - you only get this amount deducted from…
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#48This site looks so suspicious. The numbers are very wrong. I looked up two jobs they are listing, which had some very extraordinary wage shown. Both turned out to be wrong, by miles even. By which I mean, they show 80k/year, for a 1k/month paid training. Is this some vibe coded garbage?
What actually triggered me most was the apparently big salary bump you can get for "golang" in the UK? That makes no sense, and I'm guessing this is due to small sample sizes.
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#49Yeah, the numbers in Germany are not so rosy. If these numbers are true, we are looking at - - An "average" salary of around 65K / year - This after (an average of) 5-6 rounds of interviews - 6 months of "probation", with only 2 weeks of notice - And all after 4-6 years of degree/s and 4-5 years of experience (so around 10 years of investment) Then after taxation 65K annually means around 3500/month in pocket. Then w…
Don’t worry, the situation will drastically improve with the new plan of importing thousands of Indians into the EU.
> Don’t worry, the situation will drastically improve with the new plan of importing thousands of Indians into the EU.
You mean the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93European_Union_F...? What industry are these “thousands of jobs” in exactly?
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#50It basically paints 80k/y as the top 10% of senior salary in Germany and I don’t know anyone good working for less. While I only have anecdata this seems way out of touch with what I understand companies expect to pay for their talent
Yeah, I've read this report and learned this: don't use their services, they only list jobs, that don't pay well.