Funny how Poland is above Germany, yet I still feel the numbers are low - probably that's just my bubble though.
We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
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Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#12Yeah, the numbers in Germany are not so rosy. If these numbers are true, we are looking at - - An "average" salary of around 65K / year - This after (an average of) 5-6 rounds of interviews - 6 months of "probation", with only 2 weeks of notice - And all after 4-6 years of degree/s and 4-5 years of experience (so around 10 years of investment) Then after taxation 65K annually means around 3500/month in pocket. Then w…
That sounds about right to me, maybe a tad too low. In my experience it's more like 2-3 rounds of interviews and 70-75k€/year with 5 YoE and a college degree, which amounts to 3700€/month net income and you can't expect much improvement on that even with 25 YoE unless you become some sort of corporate middle manager.
Germany is the biggest cuck country in the world.
Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#13Yeah, the numbers in Germany are not so rosy. If these numbers are true, we are looking at - - An "average" salary of around 65K / year - This after (an average of) 5-6 rounds of interviews - 6 months of "probation", with only 2 weeks of notice - And all after 4-6 years of degree/s and 4-5 years of experience (so around 10 years of investment) Then after taxation 65K annually means around 3500/month in pocket. Then w…
What are some jobs that pay significantly more? Is it easier to be a factory worker? (I suppose factory workers cannot be let go as easily.) Does work in finance, or in medicine, or some other highly educated job pay materially more?
Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#14I don't trust these numbers for Germany. Why? Have a look at all the Tarifunternehmen salaries. 80k-90k€ is pretty much a standard salary you can reach after 5 years (with maybe changing your position once within the same company). Feels like their dataset has significant sampling gap in some very big industries here.
Very few companies pay the union salary.
Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#15Yeah, the numbers in Germany are not so rosy. If these numbers are true, we are looking at - - An "average" salary of around 65K / year - This after (an average of) 5-6 rounds of interviews - 6 months of "probation", with only 2 weeks of notice - And all after 4-6 years of degree/s and 4-5 years of experience (so around 10 years of investment) Then after taxation 65K annually means around 3500/month in pocket. Then w…
Germans won't tell you how much they earn, ever. It keeps salaries down in all industries. These fucking Tarifvertraege have kept salaries from growing, too. The people would have pushed a long time ago but the truth is masked well enough. Those who don't believe the shit, earn more. It is sad and the change and progress happens elsewhere. Enjoy one or two decades of German companies looking like they still matter. N…
These numbers are far off reality.
80k€+ isn't a high salary for job in a Tarifunternehmen if you stay with it for 5+ years.
Many of my colleagues cracked 100k€ this year without being AT and having crazy high position ratings.
Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#16Yeah, the numbers in Germany are not so rosy. If these numbers are true, we are looking at - - An "average" salary of around 65K / year - This after (an average of) 5-6 rounds of interviews - 6 months of "probation", with only 2 weeks of notice - And all after 4-6 years of degree/s and 4-5 years of experience (so around 10 years of investment) Then after taxation 65K annually means around 3500/month in pocket. Then w…
But are they? A Berlin startup was paying this average salary to the Indian/Pakistani devs they sponsored and fully expected to jump ship in the next 12 months. Why would they not pay 70k-75k and have your pick in the upper half of the domestic market.
Maybe recent immigrants were the key demographic polled? That would easily describe the skew.
Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#17These reports are not for engineers, but for businesses. HR will point to the statistic and state "we are paying top of the market". In reality, trying to hire a senior engineer below EUR100k is like looking for a black cat in a dark room (you can be certain, the cat is not there anymore).
Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#18I don't trust these numbers for Germany. Why? Have a look at all the Tarifunternehmen salaries. 80k-90k€ is pretty much a standard salary you can reach after 5 years (with maybe changing your position once within the same company). Feels like their dataset has significant sampling gap in some very big industries here.
Very few companies pay the union salary.
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Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#19Yeah, the numbers in Germany are not so rosy. If these numbers are true, we are looking at - - An "average" salary of around 65K / year - This after (an average of) 5-6 rounds of interviews - 6 months of "probation", with only 2 weeks of notice - And all after 4-6 years of degree/s and 4-5 years of experience (so around 10 years of investment) Then after taxation 65K annually means around 3500/month in pocket. Then w…
Those numbers can't be right.
At least in the Frankfurt area, they are.
Re: We asked 15k European devs about jobs, salaries, and AI [pdf]
#20I don't trust these numbers for Germany. Why? Have a look at all the Tarifunternehmen salaries. 80k-90k€ is pretty much a standard salary you can reach after 5 years (with maybe changing your position once within the same company). Feels like their dataset has significant sampling gap in some very big industries here.
It doesn’t matter honestly, 65k versus 80k after 42% tax on the extra 15k is about 800 euros a month. Not qualitatively different.