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The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Easier said than done. You have to maintain two phones then (updates, keeping charged). You don't want to carry two phones around. Also you have to have two SIM cards/telephone numbers which costs money.

don’t need sim card on second one it is even more secure that way it is very common to have different phones for people who work with money transfers (including crypto)

Yeah, if you need network on the secondary, then tether it to the primary, lol.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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How would you root without resetting it?

backup, root, recover?

The only ways I know to take a full backup of an Android device require it to already be at least bootloader unlocked. There are unprivileged ways to take backups, but they don't work for all apps.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Isn't that what happens in Europe with most rooted phones and banks too? At least I can remember my banking apps stopped working.

There's no laws banning this in any European countries that I'm aware of, except maybe Hungary? It's just banks being stupid, consumer-hostile, and anti-competitive.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Of course if you have root, you can make other programs work as you please.

They need to go further to outlaw hide root apps, and then install special app to track the status of the phone to make sure it is not rooted. Then allow police to randomly check the presence of this app on people phones. Every phone needs to be registered and pass hardware inspection every year. Even better, make so called offices where people can come and deposit or transfer money, it will be super safe.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Eventually though I suspect that web access to banks will be rescinded too, much like HMRC in the UK no longer permits companies to submit their taxes through the websites. In the future, everything will need an 'app'.

This seems like a massive jump to conclusions.

You should make a mat for that.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.

Eventually though I suspect that web access to banks will be rescinded too, much like HMRC in the UK no longer permits companies to submit their taxes through the websites. In the future, everything will need an 'app'.

It's moreso everything will need a signed hardware key of some sort. The app is just the easiest expression of that.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Eventually though I suspect that web access to banks will be rescinded too, much like HMRC in the UK no longer permits companies to submit their taxes through the websites. In the future, everything will need an 'app'.

This seems like a massive jump to conclusions.

It is a massive observation of how things look already no more, no less.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Yes, but a web browser doesn't run HTML + JS as root.

Dependence on a secure client is generally a bad idea. Security should be server-side.

This isn't about the bank's security - it is about the users'.

Users are losing billions worldwide due to fraudulent apps. If a user has root and runs a malicious app, it can intercept what a legitimate banking app does. A scam app with root can draw over the screen and tell users to transfer money, or it can run a series of actions when the banking app is running, or do any of a hundred things to steal money.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.

Eventually though I suspect that web access to banks will be rescinded too, much like HMRC in the UK no longer permits companies to submit their taxes through the websites. In the future, everything will need an 'app'.

With HMRC, the reasoning is that this forces the company to have an accounting package. They don't care which, they just define the API. Not unreasonable. There are more issues with MTD IT (making tax digital, income tax) due to some detailed requirement decisions such as the need to report different income streams separately.
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