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The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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One phone for banking and another one for browsing.

Easier said than done. You have to maintain two phones then (updates, keeping charged). You don't want to carry two phones around. Also you have to have two SIM cards/telephone numbers which costs money.

don’t need sim card on second one it is even more secure that way it is very common to have different phones for people who work with money transfers (including crypto)

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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I really don't understand this. My line of thinking is that if someone is technical enough to root his phone he understands the risks. Why would they force banking apps to detect and not work on rooted phones? Why would the government care so much?

A phone given for repair by a non-technical person can be rooted without their knowledge. The repair person potentially can install malware. We cannot assume the owners of the rooted phone themselves have rooted the phone.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.

Yes, but a web browser doesn't run HTML + JS as root.

Dependence on a secure client is generally a bad idea. Security should be server-side.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Serious question, what is gained from this move? Why would a government care? Are rooted phones really that much of a problem? Surely most people running a rooted phone are tech enthusiasts. Cybercriminals will just use regular phones bought under false names and dispose of them afterwards.

the banks would care. less money spent on security or dealing with clients who had their money stolen

Are you implying there's a big percentage of people getting their money stolen because they rooted their phones? I'd like to see some data on that if so.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.

I assume the bank apps have functionality that their websites lack. Like being able to tap to pay for things, etc. Where a rooted phone might make fraud easier. If not, then this really makes no sense.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Smart phones are not personal computers. They're shopping/government/etc terminals. You don't and never have controlled them, even with root (re: tight integration of the baseband computer which only the telco has a license for, not you). Their best use re: computing is acting as wifi hotspot for their cell telco CNAT connection. The time to stop using them as computers is now, not when your local government passes t…

you are right, but you are misplacing the blame. it's not that you dont own your phone, it's that you dont own your bank account and the bank can dictate how you access it

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Smart phones are not personal computers. They're shopping/government/etc terminals. You don't and never have controlled them, even with root (re: tight integration of the baseband computer which only the telco has a license for, not you). Their best use re: computing is acting as wifi hotspot for their cell telco CNAT connection. The time to stop using them as computers is now, not when your local government passes t…

Sounds dystopian. I hope projects like OsmocomBB and Purism Librem will shape the future

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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post #22
post #5

I really don't understand this. My line of thinking is that if someone is technical enough to root his phone he understands the risks. Why would they force banking apps to detect and not work on rooted phones? Why would the government care so much?

A phone given for repair by a non-technical person can be rooted without their knowledge. The repair person potentially can install malware. We cannot assume the owners of the rooted phone themselves have rooted the phone.

How would you root without resetting it?

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.

In Hungary, where the central bank created the same rule about not allowing banking apps on "unoffical" devices, they do, but you need either the app or SMS for 2FA. Apparently they consider SMS secure...

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A phone given for repair by a non-technical person can be rooted without their knowledge. The repair person potentially can install malware. We cannot assume the owners of the rooted phone themselves have rooted the phone.

How would you root without resetting it?

backup, root, recover?
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