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Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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It is interesting how the hallucinations consistently represent tiny people/elves to the mushroom consumer, even across geography/culture. I wonder what the brain is doing…

Since we're in the topic of elves and common hallucinations, I want to share these Salvia trip replicas that some say are extremely accurate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IRKuS3sSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XfIpJdlEY

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

#43

SWIM would like to know how to get paid as (instead of paying to be) "an expert who explores new mushrooms".

Someone Who Isn't Me?

> Someone Who Isn't Me?

Funny, I saw “SWIM” and reasoned “Someone Who Is Me”, thinking “is not” would be represented as “Is Not” instead of the contraction. :)

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Incredible! A mushroom that bruises blue, but the visions are seemingly unlike traditional tryptamines, and there's no psilocybin found in the mushroom. Also no muscimol present (the thing in Fly Agaric, the 'other' type of hallucinogenic mushroom compound) yet there's definitely a consistent syndrome of hallucinations if you eat it undercooked. Could this mean we're on the brink of discovering an entirely new class…

These mushrooms have been eaten for thousands of years. Does it really count as a new discovery? Maybe isolating the specific compound does.

I don’t think the article was insinuating that these mushrooms were a new discovery, they’ve been known not just in the region but to scientists for some time, though they did assert that this is the first time that the DNA had been sequenced.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Incredible! A mushroom that bruises blue, but the visions are seemingly unlike traditional tryptamines, and there's no psilocybin found in the mushroom. Also no muscimol present (the thing in Fly Agaric, the 'other' type of hallucinogenic mushroom compound) yet there's definitely a consistent syndrome of hallucinations if you eat it undercooked. Could this mean we're on the brink of discovering an entirely new class…

From the Wikipedia > In 2023, Lanmaoa asiatica received international media attention after U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was reported to have eaten a dish that contained it during an official visit to China. Yellen stated that the dish had been thoroughly cooked, and she experienced no ill effects (hallucinations). It seems Rubroboletus sinicus , another bolete, is also suspected to have this effect. These ha…

xiǎo rén rén? Like “small people”? Okay, if the mushrooms are literally called little guy mushroom and you see little guys running around then surely this is an old discovery.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Wikipedia > In 2023, Lanmaoa asiatica received international media attention after U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was reported to have eaten a dish that contained it during an official visit to China. Yellen stated that the dish had been thoroughly cooked, and she experienced no ill effects (hallucinations). It seems Rubroboletus sinicus , another bolete, is also suspected to have this effect. These ha…

xiǎo rén rén? Like “small people”? Okay, if the mushrooms are literally called little guy mushroom and you see little guys running around then surely this is an old discovery.

Well yes ofc this is an old "discovery". Boletes are known choice edibles around the world so ofc people would discover that if they undercook this mushroom they would trip. We even have some written history about it:

> The Chinese Daoist Ge Hong wrote in Baopuzi (The Master Who Embraces Simplicity) around 300 CE that eating a certain wild mushroom raw would result in attainment of transcendence immediately, suggesting that the mushrooms may have been known for thousands of years.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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post #40

Incredible! A mushroom that bruises blue, but the visions are seemingly unlike traditional tryptamines, and there's no psilocybin found in the mushroom. Also no muscimol present (the thing in Fly Agaric, the 'other' type of hallucinogenic mushroom compound) yet there's definitely a consistent syndrome of hallucinations if you eat it undercooked. Could this mean we're on the brink of discovering an entirely new class…

These mushrooms have been eaten for thousands of years. Does it really count as a new discovery? Maybe isolating the specific compound does.

What excites me as a chemist (and as someone who dabbled in psychedelics as a teenager) is the prospect of identification the active components... and it turning out to be an entirely new class of chemicals.

The great, late Alexander Shulgin made his fame through systematic tweaking of the tryptamine and phenethylamine backbones, giving rise to many interesting psychoactive, mostly psychedelic compounds. Nature has a few more classes of psychedelics, but it's very rare to come across an entirely new category of molecular compounds.

Because the hallucinations are seemingly distinct from the effects from traditional psychedelic, that's... pretty tantalizing. But the mushroom does bruise blue, which is what tryptamine-containing magic mushrooms also do.

It's super exciting, all in all. It's either a cultural or mass psychological effect (but I doubt it personally), an as of yet unidentified tryptamine-like compound that's highly active (and thus difficult to isolate because theres relatively little mass of it) or an entirely novel chemical class.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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post #41

It is interesting how the hallucinations consistently represent tiny people/elves to the mushroom consumer, even across geography/culture. I wonder what the brain is doing…

Since we're in the topic of elves and common hallucinations, I want to share these Salvia trip replicas that some say are extremely accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IRKuS3sSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XfIpJdlEY

It gets the visuals accurate, but the experience includes a lot of physical sensation that is very difficult to convey, e.g. the 'wind' that pushes you back and the discomfort of going into a chaotic dissociated state. You see those things but it feels very 'real'.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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SWIM would like to know how to get paid as (instead of paying to be) "an expert who explores new mushrooms".

I always feel like they should bring along an artist for the trip so we can get a visual depiction of what it was like

And a poet.
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