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Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by wizee »

ttul wrote: post #3

It's a shame that Canada also decided to shut the door on international students. The point was to ease the housing crisis (understandable) but the knock-on effect is to de-fund universities and surprisingly also public schools, which derive a great deal of revenue by charging international students.

It's colleges they they have been clamping down on, as they were bringing in absolutely massive numbers of mostly Indian students who were coming mainly to work in low-end jobs and get out of India rather than to legitimately study.

The number of graduate students being allowed in hasn't changed significantly, and undergraduate university students are also continuing to be brought in at rates similar to pre-pandemic times.

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Post by mempko »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #25
LPisGood wrote: post #2

All those students, along with their talent and money and connections went _somewhere_ so that’s a shame for USA.

Huge win for US high school and college students. Not so good for bloated college administrations.

Some of my favorite people to meet in college were foreign students. You get to meet diverse people and learn about the world. It's only a win if college is 20% cheaper this year. It's not.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

ilamont wrote: post #20

The loss of foreign students is already having an impact on the Boston rental market, with thousands of fewer students coming to the city this year: “I’ve been doing real estate and technology for 30 years. I’ve never seen anything like this,” Demetrios Salpoglou, CEO of Boston Pads, told Boston.com. “It’s very acute. It’s not impacting all neighborhoods … it’s really proximity to a lot of universities that have a he…

I hope a similar thing is happening in Seattle's U-district.

Housing costs are by far the largest line item expense for a student. Actual tuition/books is pretty affordable [1]

[1] https://admit.washington.edu/costs/coa/

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Post by bix6 »

mothballed wrote: post #22
honeycrispy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But personal experience is not. I went to college and was friends with the foreign students. They were average.

We had 'Asian road chaos' every fall where the rich ones would show up with their new Bugattis (edit: Maseratis) having never learned how to drive the thing and much less on the open American roads where you can really let the accelerator loose. They would cause endless crashes. One or two of poor ones would end up committing suicide in the spring when they flunked out and had spent their entire little farming family…

Holy racism

Fwiw there’s like 1000 Bugattis in the world so you really must have gone somewhere super duper elite! Monaco perhaps?

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by the_real_cher »

churchill wrote: post #34
symlinkk wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99% of those students were not any more talented than the average US citizen

Sorry to break it to you, but the average American is quite...let's say, average. That's why they're average, lol. Likewise, the average Chinese. That's why their school system filters out tens of millions of schoolkids from higher education and puts them in trade school early. Same goes for India, Europe, etc. Gifted, driven kids, the kind who will leave their family and everything they've known, to cross an ocean t…

Why not just stay and bring their gifts to their own country?

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Post by chucksta »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #32
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge win for US high school and college students. Not so good for bloated college administrations.

Zero sum ass mentality. Top performing international students are likely to start companies and create jobs which is great for US high school and college students.

Are top performing US students less likely to start companies and create jobs than international?

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

mempko wrote: post #42
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge win for US high school and college students. Not so good for bloated college administrations.

Some of my favorite people to meet in college were foreign students. You get to meet diverse people and learn about the world. It's only a win if college is 20% cheaper this year. It's not.

What is the cost of "meeting diverse people" and can the average US student afford that.

Every benefit must be judged by its cost.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by addicted »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #25
LPisGood wrote: post #2

All those students, along with their talent and money and connections went _somewhere_ so that’s a shame for USA.

Huge win for US high school and college students. Not so good for bloated college administrations.

Student enrollment in the US is declining and the big problem for colleges the past few years has been a worry about not having enough students. So it's not clear why US students were struggling to get a college spot.

And if you mean them getting spots in the more prestigious institutions, well, it's not clear whether that will even happen (the few thousand international students admitted to the top universities are not the ones that are likely to decline their acceptance letters), but even if it did, well, those universities are simply not as prestigious anymore.

Attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world is a huge part of what created their prestige, and that's even before we get to how they're losing funding, and professors and researchers to other countries.

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Post by akajshb »

LPisGood wrote: post #2

All those students, along with their talent and money and connections went _somewhere_ so that’s a shame for USA.

> that’s a shame for USA billionaires

Fixed that for you. Wealth distribution is far from equitable and immigration by and large benefits the wealthy. They financially benefit from the cheap labor and are mostly immune from the downsides.

The US did great for hundreds of years with the limited immigration we had from primarily European countries. The world we live in today was built with that approach. Remains to be seen if importing from recently modernized / 3rd world countries provides any long term benefit for median Americans. We’d be much better off installing billionaires who wish to invest in the people because they feel an attachment to the people (noblesse oblige).

I can’t really see a good argument for foreigners outside of the Meiji government approach (learn from them to invest in our own) if you care about your people.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by HDThoreaun »

chucksta wrote: post #46
HDThoreaun wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero sum ass mentality. Top performing international students are likely to start companies and create jobs which is great for US high school and college students.

Are top performing US students less likely to start companies and create jobs than international?

1. No evidence but imo probably. Immigrants are by their nature entrepunerial go getters, thats how they got here.

2. Top performing US students arent being crowded out by international students anyway.

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