I've been wondering how Chat Control's proponents settled on such a comically villainous name for their project. They didn't even bother being Orwellian. Skeletor could have have come up with "Chat Control"
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Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
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Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#42No one should remove from us the right to privacy in chat rooms. Otherwise, PGP might become cool again, or I bet that there will be new ways to chat without mass surveillance.
How would PGP help in the long run? If client side scanning is mandated for everything then the natural place for it to wind up is in the OS. Once your OS is scanning all the things, your privacy is finished - pretty good or otherwise.
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#43How would chat control even work, with federated and decentralized networks? This is the reason you should not use signal. Moxie wants everyone to be in a closed loop, tightly controlled by his decisions. Matrix ftw!
don't forget that you're dealing with the state so "we'll kidnap and/or murder you" is a legitimate option as a response to undesired behavior. at least, they think it's legitimate, and they think that thinking otherwise is undesirable behavior, which leads to a bit of a catch 182...
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#44I wouldn't expect much from this government. The CDU is legendary known for its umpteenth attempt to introduce illegal data retention (condemned by Germany's highest court). The SPD - which is also part of the ruling coalition - is a flag in the wind as it has proven since coming to power. They will do anything to stay in power. Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want.
Take a guess from which political party is Zensursula.
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#45I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.
For some more recent crimes against society and humanity, I'd also compare it to Stasi. Plenty of people alive today who lived with that. Around 1 in 30 people was secretly telling on their neighbors. After unification, it was presented as a dark chapter in German history that had finally come to an end. People would get to look into their own "file" to see what and how much had been written about their daily activit…
They did say these protesting on the street are outlaws who also rape and kill the little children.
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#46I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.
For some more recent crimes against society and humanity, I'd also compare it to Stasi. Plenty of people alive today who lived with that. Around 1 in 30 people was secretly telling on their neighbors. After unification, it was presented as a dark chapter in German history that had finally come to an end. People would get to look into their own "file" to see what and how much had been written about their daily activit…
The Stasi while more recent and more correct a name to use here are still something not everyone knows about to the same extent as the gestapo.
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Otherwise, PGP might become cool People need convenient access to PGP. If their App Store removes all PGP apps then they might have to upload their privatekey to a PWA. And then no one's any better off. If the everyman is forced to choose between being surveilled or using PGP, I reckon I know what he'd choose regardless.
There's no reason email clients can't make PGP keys easy, proton actually makes it quite easy to add a PGP key for an email address.
Does Proton allow you to use any email client? Last I checked IMAP and SMTP is disabled and you're captive in their webmail or official client unless you pay for their bridge software.
Which makes this post ironic https://proton.me/blog/what-is-an-email-client
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#48I wouldn't expect much from this government. The CDU is legendary known for its umpteenth attempt to introduce illegal data retention (condemned by Germany's highest court). The SPD - which is also part of the ruling coalition - is a flag in the wind as it has proven since coming to power. They will do anything to stay in power. Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want.
SPD has been firmly pro surveillance since Schily
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Otherwise, PGP might become cool People need convenient access to PGP. If their App Store removes all PGP apps then they might have to upload their privatekey to a PWA. And then no one's any better off. If the everyman is forced to choose between being surveilled or using PGP, I reckon I know what he'd choose regardless.
There's no reason email clients can't make PGP keys easy, proton actually makes it quite easy to add a PGP key for an email address.
Nobody ever talks about S/MIME, but it's the corporate version of PGP/GPG for mail. Apple made it dead easy to use S/MIME encryption. Most vendors do, because it's still a requirement for some government purchasing (DoD is moving away from it). I was honestly and pleasantly surprised how easy it was to use S/MIME with the built-in mail programs on macOS and iOS/iPadOS, and I'm a bit surprised that Apple didn't just automate an S/MIME key for every iCloud mail user.
Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Otherwise, PGP might become cool People need convenient access to PGP. If their App Store removes all PGP apps then they might have to upload their privatekey to a PWA. And then no one's any better off. If the everyman is forced to choose between being surveilled or using PGP, I reckon I know what he'd choose regardless.
There's no reason email clients can't make PGP keys easy, proton actually makes it quite easy to add a PGP key for an email address.
There's no reason Chat Control can't mandate scanning in email apps, either.