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If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

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Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

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If we can get dinner from mom, who needs a grocery store? Seems like the same logic to me. Isn't the Web where the information came from?

For as long as mom was feeding me, I never needed to shop at a grocery store.

But here the mom is a robot taking produce for free. Not a good business for grocery stores.

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

#42

I guess people that need to verify the correctness of their information still need the web.

We still have books, and libraries. And some libraries have books. Sadly, most of the stuff most people want to verify is "breaking news" and "gossip". Did the pope really wear a puffy white coat? Does it really matter?

Is wrong right anymore?

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

#43

Browsing "the web" has been painful for years thanks to SEO and ads. Most people already spend their time in walled gardens, selectively jumping out to specific linked sites. Does AI fundamentally change this, or is it just a better front-end for the search engine?

What makes you think ads and the equivalent to SEO aren't coming for the LLM products? These companies are going to have to turn a profit eventually...

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

#45

Because soon the information you get with GenAI will contain ads in a way that you cannot distinguish it from real information. You want the ability to look at 4-5 sources, vet them, and draw your own conclusions.

Imagine AI telling you its safe and proper to water bath can meat for food preservation, and what that actually means when you eat the canned meat following those directions. Same goes for mushrooms, or anything else that might literally kill you.

We've reached a point where AI is not accountable for harms, while being capable of killing people through selective curation of information it provides.

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

#46
The OP is claiming that no one is interested in his article, just the "information" that can be harvested in it. He has committed the rather obvious fallacy of equating the web with web search. There are real risks to information providers, but that's not all the web is.

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

#47

I guess people that need to verify the correctness of their information still need the web.

We still have books, and libraries. And some libraries have books. Sadly, most of the stuff most people want to verify is "breaking news" and "gossip". Did the pope really wear a puffy white coat? Does it really matter?

That's your answer? We don't need the internet anymore because we have books?

My local library is great. But they don't have all books, like reference information about a particular manufacturer's product. And they're not open at 2am. And you have to go there.

Behold, this is the future. We've improved computers so much going to the library is the answer for getting information. Correction: getting correct information.

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In short order (relatively speaking), you get deflationary collapse of all human organization. Lolol no, human organization would not collapse because web advertising went away.

Your wrong. Here's how it might go down. Web advertising goes away because communications platforms reach the Shannon limit driven by AI generated slop, and deceit. People can no longer communicate with each other, this spawns chaotic hallucinations and delusions that grow into a dragon-king event. Businesses make decisions based on the hallucinatory perceptions that are not sound resulting in losses. Money-printing…

I think that story is absolutely nuts, both the premise and the outcome.

If society were as brittle as you describe we’d have collapsed under the first gust of wind.

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

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post #21

If we can get dinner from mom, who needs a grocery store? Seems like the same logic to me. Isn't the Web where the information came from?

It's obviously not even close to the same logic. One obvious difference is that "mom" (who gets their dinner from "mom"? Not me) pays the grocery store for the food. If I get all my meals via DoorDash, the farmers still get paid. If I get all my news via LLMs rather than a subscription to the NYT, the NYT and its investigative reporters get no revenue from me.

Re: If we can find information by asking GenAI, who needs the Web?

#50
The web is full of garbage but one can find sources of specific and detailed information, and also to contact friends directly. So, I choose to go to sites for information (product, “how-to”, or Wikipedia-like), to use aggregators like Hacker News to get a broad brush picture of what’s going on (because no “news” site can be so diverse) and to contact friends directly, and not via a “social” site with billions (?) of users.

Likewise, AI is biased, tries to be all things to all people, and is outright wrong in many cases. It is too easy to nudge in strange directions, and is NOT a nice companion. The lure of advertising is too big not to enshittify it.

However, in strict verticals, it can be helpful.

Since it is by structure non-social, it can’t be used to connect people.

It’s really a matter of choice, and people choose poorly.

“My Internet World” consists mainly of two aggregators, heavily moderated, sites that serve my interests directly, and communications with friends. The latter could be improved by “group forums” outside of the surveillance capitalism monster sites, but nobody seems to care, and should be part of operating systems, but Apple, Google and Microsoft, for example, will never agree on anything, so it’s left to third parties to crack a billion-device market. Fat chance.

As an example, I used to host Moodle on laptops and servers for docs, where people could comment, and it had built-in controls. Perhaps, some outside hosting? Small is beautiful.

People and information. They’ve been poisoned and probably always will as long as people use “big” sites.

Oh, and as for advertising. If I want information, I’ll just go get it. Anyone who pushes information on me is poisoning my cache. Out, damned slop.

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