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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #35
zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

I'm not really worried about a lack of updates to an embedded device provided that it isn't network connected. To me the root of the issue, and also a far more concerning problem in and of itself, is that from what I understand modern vehicles are connected to the mobile network and phone home.

If you are not connected to the internet and installing the latest patches, you will be vulnerable to the next RCE!

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by 3-cheese-sundae »

dwattttt wrote: post #29
Terr_ wrote: post #5

On the less-technical side, Hyundai has a corporate-legal mechanism to request "Delete personal information" [0] that might be worth doing, just to round things out. > one step of which involved removing this "garnish" panel behind the screen. Easier said than done Different year/model, but same experience with the same task: I really hate situations where the secret is "a suspicious amount of force", especially if t…

Plus they're fun to say. Spudger!

Yes. I, too, shall spudge.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by compootr »

dangus wrote: post #27
Terr_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hopeful that stuff like Android Auto or Apple CarPlay will continue moving some of the risky obsolete-able complexity away of the giant expensive machine I plan to keep for over a decade (the car) and into smaller easier-to-replace ones (my smartphone.) A quick outline for those who haven't used them: The car's head-display becomes mostly-controlled by your phone, which is what supplies any navigation, music, pod…

This is not the direction that the software is going in. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/05/carplay-ultra-the-nex...

fascinating idea, but no mention of android. Would one (like me!) simply be unable to use this car to its full extent?

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by bobbyraduloff »

It’s quite upsetting that if you want a modern car so that you utilise the newest advances in safety, you have to consent to constant tracking, enshitification, subscription services, etc. It would be really cool if you could get something like a ‘67 impala that doesn’t make ‘67 emissions and has actual seatbelts and airbags…

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by surajrmal »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #10

The govt should fund $1,000,000 bug bounties on these vehicles. If anyone succeeds in remotely gaining access to the mic, car companies are fined $100,000,000.

I think that's more likely to get companies to remove mics than to make them secure.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by kurtoid »

surajrmal wrote: post #46
mensetmanusman wrote: post #10

The govt should fund $1,000,000 bug bounties on these vehicles. If anyone succeeds in remotely gaining access to the mic, car companies are fined $100,000,000.

I think that's more likely to get companies to remove mics than to make them secure.

good?

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by martin_a »

> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly.

This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by jahewson »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #10

The govt should fund $1,000,000 bug bounties on these vehicles. If anyone succeeds in remotely gaining access to the mic, car companies are fined $100,000,000.

Car companies, including Hyundai, pay fines of that magnitude every few years for various issues. Yet the issues keep coming.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by general1726 »

martin_a wrote: post #48

> Somewhat related, an easy early fix was to disable the car's microphone in the headliner light assembly. This (and maybe the things he does further on) would probably interfer with the eCall system that is mandatory for cars in Europe. The author seems to be in the US so that might be fine, but if you're in Europe, please don't do stuff like this.

eCall is sending GPS location after the crash, microphone is not necessary.
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