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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Did the Max plan ever promise unlimited anything? I’m on it, and I remember seeing and paying for 20x, not infinity. There is a case to be made that they sold a multiple and are changing x or rate limiting x differently, but the tone seems different from that.

Looking at their pricing page in way back machine looks like they've had "usage limits" terminology for at least the last year

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#42

Reminds me of the Stop Killing Games movement. If you give people an end date, they can plan around it.

Agree, businesses should just provide a real number of services, that they are willing to provide. That allows customers to more effectively compare different service providers and allows providers to avoid the situation, when they have to secretly throttle certain users.

But it is so hard to explain to product people, that there is a limit how much certain services can scale and be profitably supported.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I didn't look at the URL at first and was surprised when this turned in to an ad. Oh well!

> Stop selling "unlimited", when you mean "until we change our minds"

The limits don't go in to affect until August 28th, one month from yesterday. Is there an option to buy the Max plan yearly up front? I honestly don't know; I'm on the monthly plan. If there isn't a yearly purchase option, no one is buying unlimited and then getting bait-and-switched without enough time for them to cancel their sub if they don't like the new limits.

> A Different Approach: More AI for Less Money

I think it's really funny that the "different approach" is a limited time offer for credits that expire.

I don't like that the Claude Max limits are opaque, but if I really need pay-per-use, I can always switch to the API. And I'd bet I still get >$200 in API-equivalents from Claude Code once the limits are in place. If not? I'll happily switch somewhere else.

And on the "happily switch somewhere else", I find the "build user dependency" point pretty funny. Yes, I have a few hooks and subagents defined for Claude Code, but I have zero hard dependency on anything Anthropic produces. If another model/tool comes out tomorrow that's better than Claude Code for what I do, I'm jumping ship without a second thought.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#47
you think it's bad now?

wait until their investors get fed up with pouring money down the drain and demand they make a profit from the median user

that model training and capex to build the giant DCs and fill them with absurdly priced nvidia chips isn't free

as an end user: you will be the one paying for it

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a leaderboard encouraging people to waste as many tokens as possible [0]. I'm quite sure Anthropic is very eager to get rid of these "customers." [0]: https://www.viberank.app/

I’m pretty sure the top entries there are fabricated. You can’t burn that much with just a regular max subscription.

Obviously it's easy to cheat (as the token usage is only known by the user and Claude and this leaderboard is a third-party). But the existence of this kind of thing makes me believe people who use a lot of tokens != loyal customers of Claude.
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